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I think this is the first trailer.

Looks like they’re going with a lot more humor. I’m still a bit iffy on this, though, considering I think the MCU since Endgame has been very hit and miss. Plus, I never really cared much about She Hulk.

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I think I saw the Wrecking Crew in there. And maybe Titania (whom I recall reading they did cast).


Yes Titania is in this. Honestly I think this will be a good/great show. Just the green CGI is a little...off to me. But Tatiana will be a great She-Hulk IMHO.

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This looks super fun. I've read a lot of the She-Hulk comics and this looks very in keeping with what they are generally like.

For folks on the fence, there is a new She-Hulk monthly comic coming out now; the first three issues are out. The trailer's tone is similar (if only slightly more goofy). I suggest flipping through those (digitally "flipping" if preferred) and if you enjoy them, I expect you'd enjoy this series. If you find it not your thing, then you probably won't like the show either.

And yeah! Not only will Titania be in it, she's played by Jameela Jamil who is awesome.

CGI does look a little off but I don't really care too much about SFX. I grew up watching old Doctor Who. If it looks slightly better than spray-painted bubble wrap, I'm impressed.


I think it'll be pretty fun. A friend of mine went on what was nearly a multi-page manifesto about how he would never watch it. I didn't even finish reading his response. He also complained there were "too many women" in the bridge crew of the Enterprise in the new Star Trek: Strange New Worlds series. Which is odd for him. He's never been a sexist jerk since I first met him as kids in 1975. But since 2020 it's like someone put a different brain in his head.

Anyway, I'm gonna like this show.

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From what I’m seeing across the internet, so far the one criticism floating around most has been the CGI looking off. I agree, but it’s nevertheless surprising to see that coming from Disney.

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Hopefully it will be more finished by the time it releases in August. It looks like they haven't finished animating her hair yet.


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DQ makes a valid point about spray painted bubble wrap.

But honestly I'm still waiting to see how this series unfolds. I mean I imagined Moon Knight quite different than I did watching it on TV. That didn't inhibit my enjoyment though.


New trailer looks a bit better, some fun looking stuff, Wong, Titania, Wrecking Crew, maybe even Daredevil (or could be Bullseye)


New Trailer was great for the fact Jen broke the 4th wall AND she looks cleaner/less spotty CGI.

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I am so so so psyched for this, it's unreal.

Confirmed to be Daredevil, Greylurker, IIRC. After all, it makes sense Jen might run into a really good lawyer during her own duties.


I was wondering what direction they were going to go in with respect to She Hulk as the 80s series put an indelible stamp on the character overall that didn't show up in future works. Here's hoping they keep her in this vein and not in a more Deadpool-y direction.


I think it won't be THAT Deadpool-ish so much as some 4th wall breaking in the same vein as Ally McBeal. At least that's my take Freehold.

And yeah, it makes sense, DQ to have Charlie Cox's DD show up.

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First of all, She-Hulk was breaking the fourth wall long before Deadpool. So anything she does in that vein will be true to her, not referential to someone else. Although I don't think they are going uber-whacky either. Most of her recent comics (I'm reading her current run right now, and I also heartily recommend Charles Soule's run from a few years ago) also have a pretty strong comedic arc if the fourth wall breaking is kept to a minimum. The notable exception was when she had her crisis a few years ago and was becoming an uncontrolled dumb-hulk, which was a more serious arc about grief and mental health crises. But now we're definitely back to lighter hearted stories in She-Hulk, and the trailer suggests the tone of the tv show pretty much exactly matches the tone of most She-Hulk comics I've read.

A comparison to Ally McBeal is apt (and that was a much better series than some remember) with of course all the law stuff... really Ally McBeal was probably what Jennifer Walters' life would have been if she didn't live in a comic book universe.

Not going to be everyone's cup of tea but I for one am here for it.


Well, you know that and I know that, but when Deadpool was getting big there was a considerably loud portion of his fanbase that swore up and down that only Deadpool ever broke the 4th wall and had "wacky" adventures and there was a lot of comic nerd arguing. It was one of the first times I felt old as I remembered She Hulk's audience winks as if they were just yesterday. But I was more referring to what you were talking about later on in your post where there have been a lot of different authors for She Hulk over the years, and not all of her books have been comedic or particularly lawyer heavy, I think she did have one short lived "wacky" book. Just curious as to what they wanted to do with the character overall, especially on a network like Disney+.


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Well, you know that and I know that, but when Deadpool was getting big there was a considerably loud portion of his fanbase that swore up and down that only Deadpool ever broke the 4th wall and had "wacky" adventures and there was a lot of comic nerd arguing. It was one of the first times I felt old as I remembered She Hulk's audience winks as if they were just yesterday. But I was more referring to what you were talking about later on in your post where there have been a lot of different authors for She Hulk over the years, and not all of her books have been comedic or particularly lawyer heavy, I think she did have one short lived "wacky" book. Just curious as to what they wanted to do with the character overall, especially on a network like Disney+.

One thing thats changed is that people talking to themselves in public or looking at "nothing" and talking to an audience that aren't there... are just assumed to be on a cel phone and or doing selfie videos.

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Livestreams too!

Everything I'm seeing for She-Hulk is giving me good vibes, even if it might be awhile before I catch it.


I think I'll watch it but I need to re-watch/finish watching some Ms Marvel. I had pet sitting duties that interfered with my stream time.

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Looks like they're going full on with the 4th wall breaks.

And this continues to look super fun.


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DeathQuaker wrote:

Looks like they're going full on with the 4th wall breaks.

And this continues to look super fun.

Will they also have her be a fashion plate, a la the 80s?

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Freehold DM wrote:
DeathQuaker wrote:

Looks like they're going full on with the 4th wall breaks.

And this continues to look super fun.

Will they also have her be a fashion plate, a la the 80s?

Have you watched the trailers? Pretty sure you'll get all your answers quick enough.


DeathQuaker wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
DeathQuaker wrote:

Looks like they're going full on with the 4th wall breaks.

And this continues to look super fun.

Will they also have her be a fashion plate, a la the 80s?
Have you watched the trailers? Pretty sure you'll get all your answers quick enough.

I did not watch the trailers! I have been being a good boy and not watching stuff while at work.


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I think it might be tough to get used to Tatiany Maslany only playing 1-2 characters on a TV show.

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I think it might be tough to get used to Tatiany Maslany only playing 1-2 characters on a TV show.

Though they did just cast Krysten Ritter in the Orphan Black: Echoes spin off, so we can see a multi-character clone playing a Marvel character, and a Marvel character playing a multi-character clone.


Indeed. Plus to me, her being a clone just means that universe cloned Jessica Jones.

I'm reasonable okay with Titany being only one or two characters.

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Tatiana Maslany, just FYI …


You're right, Marc. My bad.

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Though they did just cast Krysten Ritter in the Orphan Black: Echoes spin off, so we can see a multi-character clone playing a Marvel character, and a Marvel character playing a multi-character clone.
Thomas Seitz wrote:
Indeed. Plus to me, her being a clone just means that universe cloned Jessica Jones.

Given the new Variants comic that's out, are we sure this isn't a new Jessica Jones series in disguise? ;)


I mean kind of...but not sure.


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You're right, Marc. My bad.

No, it was my bad -- a typo that I should have caught.

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Apparently, it’s being advertised somewhere as “Must She TV”. And I don’t know whether to applaud them, or wish them burning hellfire, for that extreme level of cheesiness.

Not that it’s going to affect my chances of viewing this.


So, according to Bruce, both he and Jen have a "Rare combination of genetic factors" that allows them to use Gamma radiation

IE: they have a mutation

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Well, at least as far as ep 1 goes, it is everything I wanted it to be. It is hilarious, Mazlany is great, and I liked Banner getting some actual character work for once.

It is absolutely not a show for everyone, and if your superhero tastes run toward giant skybeams, dark and gritty grimworld doominess, vigilantes brooding on rooftops, military fantasies, or big bash-your-action figures together sort of action showdowns, this may not be for you. (ETA although the Hulk vs Hulk scuffle was fun) (And note the word "may." I also like some grimdark and broody and explody but this is not those things.)

Indeed, it is very much like most (but not all) runs on She-Hulk comics, like the old Byrne run or the moreish recent Soule run or the actual current run (don't remember author). So of you're not sure, get an issue of one of those for cheap on comixology, and if you liked it watch, and if you didn't don't bother. Likewise if you like funnier comics like Deadpool (though less graphic/crude) or things that have some slice of life elements like some of the Simone issues of Birds of Prey you'll probably dig this.


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"Lawyer show..." this show does exactly what it was expecting to, what I'd hoped for. Jennifer Walters is a person, then an "enhanced." She is very human, using humor to deal with what is a very stressful life. I like that the protagonist has such a strong desire to stay rooted, grounded in the "real world" instead of needing to immediately put on a costume and fight aliens or gods.

There's some camp here. Titania's flying drop kick, the training montage, it can get silly. I'm here for the silly. There's also some very real, very deliberate social commentary. The bathroom scene seemed over the top to me but Jen's brief explainer for why she's so in touch with managing anger and stress daily was awesome.

So far I'm not in my feels about anything in the show. I suppose that's a good thing, I don't always need the waterworks to enjoy an MCU project. I like the 4th wall breaks, the snark and such. I know that was a thing in Byrne's run in the comics and with the character in general so it'll hopefully keep going.

I'm recommending my friends to give it a watch. Its fun, its well acted, and there's bound to be something for most every fans. The anti-Carol Danvers crowd should probably sit this one out though. If you saw the Captain Marvel movie and immediately rage-commented about how pro woman the piece was, this likely won't be your cup of green tea.

Also, the post credit scene was spectacular!


DeathQuaker wrote:

Well, at least as far as ep 1 goes, it is everything I wanted it to be. It is hilarious, Mazlany is great, and I liked Banner getting some actual character work for once.

It is absolutely not a show for everyone, and if your superhero tastes run toward giant skybeams, dark and gritty grimworld doominess, vigilantes brooding on rooftops, military fantasies, or big bash-your-action figures together sort of action showdowns, this may not be for you. (ETA although the Hulk vs Hulk scuffle was fun) (And note the word "may." I also like some grimdark and broody and explody but this is not those things.)

Indeed, it is very much like most (but not all) runs on She-Hulk comics, like the old Byrne run or the moreish recent Soule run or the actual current run (don't remember author). So of you're not sure, get an issue of one of those for cheap on comixology, and if you liked it watch, and if you didn't don't bother. Likewise if you like funnier comics like Deadpool (though less graphic/crude) or things that have some slice of life elements like some of the Simone issues of Birds of Prey you'll probably dig this.

I will take your viewpoint seriously and try to watch it this weekend.

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Indeed, it is very much like most (but not all) runs on She-Hulk comics, like the old Byrne run or the moreish recent Soule run or the actual current run (don't remember author). So of you're not sure, get an issue of one of those for cheap on comixology, and if you liked it watch, and if you didn't don't bother. Likewise if you like funnier comics like Deadpool (though less graphic/crude) or things that have some slice of life elements like some of the Simone issues of Birds of Prey you'll probably dig this.

If you scan the QR code in the bar towards the beginning you can get a free Savage She-Hulk #1 I read.

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This week's free comic is the #1 of Dan Slott's run (which clearly inspired the general arc of this episode).

Continues to be super fun. I like seeing the family dynamics. One gets tired of the billionaire, narcissist, orphan superheroes after while. It's fun seeing superheroes come from being real people living real lives. Ched was everything I imagined him to be.

I am embarrassed to say I did not get the double meaning of "I was a completely different person then" until I was reading other commentary on the Internet. Funny.

On a more serious note, between the details in the dialogue with Blonsky and with Bruce, I think this is the first time "The Incredible Hulk" movie has been formally acknowledged within an MCU show/series' dialogue as canon.

Pug is lovely. Protect him at all costs.


You know I was wondering if the whole fight club thing was going to come up. Guess that explains how they bring Wong into the story.

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DeathQuaker wrote:


On a more serious note, between the details in the dialogue with Blonsky and with Bruce, I think this is the first time "The Incredible Hulk" movie has been formally acknowledged within an MCU show/series' dialogue as canon.

One episode of What If included an alternate version of the fight scene in Incredible Hulk on the college campus. And, since the post credit scene in Incredible Hulk had Nick Fury talking to Thunderbolt Ross about the Avengers Initiative, in a sense, the Avengers indirectly references it.


Oh lord The Wrecking Crew....

So, who do we think is their mystery Boss


I'm betting on Hela...but that's just me. Otherwise Enchantress or else her sister.

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Most online speculation has been Kingpin or Zemo or the Leader. Kingpin might be why Daredevil shows up.

Although if it is an Asgardian, the most obvious would be Runa (the elf in the episode) trying to get her vengeance.

ETA: A bit out of left field, but maybe Sharon Carter as Powerbroker trying to get a new super soldier serum?

Thought this continues to be fun. I like that She Hulk is really getting to do lawyer stuff while superhero shenanigans still abound.


I've watched two episoides and based on that it's OK. I appreciate that the episodes aren't pushing 1 hour. I may actually finish it, which is more than I can say for the other recent Marvel shows.
I'm not sure I'd bother with it on its own but its fine to pay semi-attention to while painting minis.


if they go with comic lore (they might not), go with the Enchantress or Karnilla for the boss of the Wrecking Crew. Karnilla helped create them; the Enchantress had at least one run-in with Jenn.


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"You Mr. Wong have confessed to a Crime"

"I must go now" woosh

I did enjoy that

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I am a huge Marvel / MCU fan and I love Tatiana Maslany - she is a fantastic actress … but this show just isn’t for me.

The MCU has always had humor in it, but I prefer the jokes when they are more organic and less in your face and common. An all out MCU comedy just isn’t my taste.

The bigger issue for me is the 4th wall breaking. I was fine with it in the Deadpool movie because they were self contained and, until now, were not connected to the MCU. But this She Hulk series Is part of the wider MCU, so it brings questions of internal consistency and internal logic.

If she is turning and talking to us, the viewer, then we have to assume that means she is in a tv show which we are watching … not from a meta standpoint, but from a within the MCU standpoint. And not from the clever WandaVision angle, where it remained internally consistent (it was Darcey and friends who were watching, and it turned out to be all a manifestation of Wanda’s power and grief)

This is literally saying She Hulk is a show and now we, the audience, are part of it. But from an internal logic and consistency standpoint, that has to imply that ALL the MCU is as well, which seriously diminishes the seriousness and drama of the other movies and shows.

Take Tony Starks sacrifice, death, and it’s aftermath. If we now have to assume that those huge moments were actually just a movie (literally, not from a meta perspective) that the audience is watching, it really pulls the drama and ‘reality’.

Imagine if She Hulk had been in Endgame. Tony is taking his last breath, he has sacrificed everything to defeat Thanos, it’s a huge, dramatic moment … and the She Hulk turn to the camera and mutters “Wow, pretty big bummer huh?” Even if she didn’t do that, the understanding that she could - that now within the MCU it is possible, just diminishes so much.

It also seriously begs the question, why don’t incredibly intelligent people like Tony (who literally figured out how to make time travel viable) or powerful people like Doctor Strange (who has travelled the multiverse) also turn to the camera and make dopey quips to the viewer? What, they don’t know they are in a movie being watched by us? They aren’t smart or powerful enough to know that?

Sorry, the 4th wall breaking in the show (and yes I know it was done in the She Hulk comic - it breaks internal logic there as well) just has too many negative ramifications for me.

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If you need an internal logic to She-Hulk's fourth wall breaking:

There are two kinds of dissociative disorders: Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID), where a person's psyche fractures and one body/brain contains two or more identities, and Dissociative Personality Disorder (DPD), where a person may tell themselves either they are not a person (depersonalization) or the situation they are in is not real (derealization). A person with DPD may also engage in degrees of both.

Bruce seemed surprised Jen did not have an "other guy" inside her when she transformed. While some think this is simply because Bruce's unique trauma gave him DID and Jen's mental health survived the transformation, perhaps, Bruce--who has indeed studied his condition more than many--is correct in his deduction that gamma mutation forces some form of dissociation upon the psyche of the mutate.

What perhaps he did not realize, is that instead of developing DID, Jen developed DPD. Specifically, she now experiences a form of derealization where she has convinced herself she is in a television show, and what we are actually witnessing is not a silly exposition/meta-commentary device for the writers, but rather a woman's tragic descent into a mental health crisis.

Otherwise, indeed as She-Hulk--a denizen of the exact same universe where one of its heroes defeated a scourge of the universe with a challenge to a dance-off and in general there are a lot of people in silly outfits fighting other people in silly outfits, all of which are inspired by sequential funny papers that were long ago primarily marketed to children--does remind us, in fact...

That it is just a show, so we should really just relax.


@Marc Radle: I can't make you like the show, your feelings are your own and 100% valid. But they're your feelings, they don't necessarily need explanation. You gave some though, and its left me confused.

If 4th wall breaking diffuses or removes the gravitas of the drama in the connected universe of the films/shows, how does Deadpool calling out Hugh Jackman, albeit by Wolverine's name or innuendo, not diminish Wolverine's tragic end in Logan?

For that matter, why is it ok if Deadpool reminds us we're an audience watching films, complete with DP2 bringing in Fred Savage and that whole gimmick, but it's not OK when Jen suggests we're excited for Wong? So far the show has let a couple dramatic beats linger w/out a punchline when Jen and Bruce or Blonsky have talked, so why do we assume they wouldn't do the same for Tony's death?

The show's not for you: that's cool Marc. I'm sorry it's not your bag but I'm glad you gave it a try and hopefully Marvel is still a net positive in your eyes. Also, please don't misunderstand my post here. I'm not trying to start anything or cheese you off or anything; if I'm coming off too aggressive please let me know and I'll apologize in advance if I've offended.

I'm just trying to wrap my head around what is different between Deadpool and She-Hulk, in regards to 4th wall breaks. Both are irreverent to the shared universes they inhabit, both remind the audience that this is a work of fiction, and both not only poke fun at the fiction they inhabit but also the creators OF that fiction. Heck, DP2 has Fred Savage and takes a jab at the Princess Bride, picks on Disney directly, and forces Mr Savage to join in one of the breaks.

Also, you mention you didn't like when Jen did it in the comics. Did you enjoy that aspect of Deadpool comics? If so, how were those different?

Now, I for one just don't like some of the lines Ms Maslany has had to deliver in those breaks. She is a great actress for sarcasm, wit and timing, so giving her "setup... punchline" jokes like a sitcom is not great writing, in my opinion. But having her deliver a jab at Bruce, to camera, while holding up the roof of the bar was a clever tension reliever well executed by the woman and I enjoyed that one.

Another break I thought was done well was the one in the car. Jen is supposed to be driving, the illusion that many shows deliver, but she turns to camera and begins chatting w/the audience... obliterating any faith in the idea that her character is controlling the vehicle. Like, I thought the dialogue was a tad basic but that nod to a TV trope was hilarious to me!

Anyway Marc Radle, once again I'm not trying to call you out or anything here. If you feel like responding, that's cool, if not I genuinely hope its not b/c of me. Hope you're having a great day!

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All good questions and points.

When I said I was fine with the 4th wall breaking in the Deadpool movie, it was because those were self contained and, until now, were not connected to the MCU.

I never read the Deadpool comics, but I definitely feel the same way about them - since Deadpool IS in the same world in the comics as Spiderman, the X-Men, etc. to me it absolutely DID call into question why none of those other heroes “knew” that they were all just characters in a comic book.

The thing with the Deadpool comics (and the She-Hulk comics for that matter) was that I could just ignore them - Deadpool came out after I stopped reading comics, and the only time I ran into She-Hulk was when she appeared in Fantastic Four comics, and she wasn’t doing the 4th wall thing then.

I do the same thing with the Deadpool movies - they were not part of the MCU, they were over there in the Fox universe, which had some ok movies but I really was pretty indifferent to overall so I could watch them or not, but they were completely separate from the MCU.

The She-Hulk series IS part of the MCU though, so for me it NEEDS to fit in and work within the wider MCU, and the 4th wall breaking, for me, kind of destroys the ‘realism’ as I detailed above. I am equally worried about Deadpool doing the same thing now that he will be joining the MCU :(

I guess if Jenn Walters only does the 4th wall stuff in her own series, but whenever she appears in different MCU movie or show she doesn’t do it, I can just pretend the She-Hulk series doesn’t exist (same with Deadpool I guess). If she appears in, say, the next Doctor Strange movie or whatever, and turns to the camera with a grin and a wink and says “Hey look, it’s good ol’ Wong” or some other quip to the audience, that immediately destroys the internal logic and realism of the movie, for me at least.

I am honestly happy for folks that like this aspect of She-Hulk, of Deadpool if he does it within the MCU, but for me, it’s just a real bummer …

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OMG Madisynn is basically Cecily Strong's Girl At a Party You Wish You Hadn't Started a Conversation With and I am here for her and Wong's bromance.

The demon fighting and trying to get a C&D on sling ring use was fun too.

Looking forward to more Titania next week!

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