Halfling Druid Build-trying to make something work for RP reasons (mostly)-help appreciated.


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Halfling Druid build

Hello there. I have a halfling Druid that just reached level 9 and I am trying to respec to both fit the party comp better as well as be the Druid I want to play.

As such, I want a Twice-upgraded animal companion (indomitable),
I want Wild shape myself with Form Control

And in order to use all this stuff/actually have focus points, I want to start as a leaf Druid, also because I’ve had a leshy familiar and make all kinds of baby Groot jokes with him.

Anyway, class feats would be:
1-leaf
2-order explorer animal
4-mature animal companion
5-(this is the issue)-via adopted ancestry (human-natural ambition)-wild shape
6-form control
8-incredible (indomitable) companion

The probably obvious issue is that natural ambition gives a lvl1 class feat, which wild shape is, but I need the lvl 2 order explorer feat to gain wild shape (which is granted if I take order explorer).

I realize I could drop form control at 6 and just have order explorer there, but I really like the role playing aspect of changing shape for longer.

Some thoughts I had were to take some kind of penalty (drop the goodberry spell, take an ability flaw, or drop a skill, general feat, etc) if my DM is willing, but I am not sure what is fair or not fair. I could also just start animal or wild, but I’d be sad to lose my focus point and familiar.

Another thought I had was at level 9 through adopted ancestry I could take multi-talented to “multi class” into the wild shape order, but I’m not sure if it’s legit to use an archetype for the class I already have. I don’t feel like this is trying to break the system and in fact I’d be giving up “guiding luck” if I went this route, but that’s really where I’d like to be.

Does anyone have any thoughts about what would be reasonable as an exchange to basically upgrade my natural ambition feat to a level 2 instead of level 1? Or other ways to get this build? Or do I just need accept that I am waiting until lv 14 (because I really want to be a dragon by 12 and need soaring then dragon shape) to have form control? Thoughts appreciated. Thanks!


Start as Wild or Animal.

Take Adopted Ancestry: Gnome at 5. Take Burrowing Accomplice and ask your GM if it can be a leshy instead of a burrowing creature.

You'll lose Goodberry and the extra focus point, but the rest fits.

1 - Animal
2 - Order Explorer: Wild (Wildshape)
4 - Animal Companion
5 - Cultural Adaptability - Adopted Ancestry Gnome: Burrowing Accomplice
6 - Form Control
8 - Incredible Companion

That's probably the cleanest way without making trades. The leshy familiar is largely cosmetic unless you planned to take the leshy familiar abilities (which it didn't sound like you were).

[Edit] Personal opinion: if you want the extra focus point, just talk to your GM. The math on who gets a second is weird and inconsistent. It probably won't break your game to give you a focus point for each focus power you have up to the 3 max. You still can't recover more than 1 at a time until much later level. Taking an entire subclass just for that focus point which otherwise breaks your build is kind of silly.

Sczarni

Taking Witch Dedication at Level 9 would get you a Familiar, too, but not a Leshy.


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Nefreet wrote:
Taking Witch Dedication at Level 9 would get you a Familiar, too, but not a Leshy.

But the Witch MC also gives access to Wortwitch which will replace the original familiar with a Leshy familiar.


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BandobrasBrandytook wrote:

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Another thought I had was at level 9 through adopted ancestry I could take multi-talented to “multi class” into the wild shape order, but I’m not sure if it’s legit to use an archetype for the class I already have.
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Druids can't take Druid Multiclass.

CRB, p. 219 wrote:

Multiclass Archetypes

Archetypes with the multiclass trait represent diversifying your training into another class’s specialties. You can’t select a multiclass archetype’s dedication feat if you are a member of the class of the same name (for instance, a fighter can’t select the Fighter Dedication feat).


Gisher wrote:
BandobrasBrandytook wrote:

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Another thought I had was at level 9 through adopted ancestry I could take multi-talented to “multi class” into the wild shape order, but I’m not sure if it’s legit to use an archetype for the class I already have.
...

Druids can't take Druid Multiclass.

CRB, p. 219 wrote:

Multiclass Archetypes

Archetypes with the multiclass trait represent diversifying your training into another class’s specialties. You can’t select a multiclass archetype’s dedication feat if you are a member of the class of the same name (for instance, a fighter can’t select the Fighter Dedication feat).

Alas, for all the great ideas about witch multi class, my Druid is not that intelligent, and getting a strength of 14 for form control pretty much means that’s not happening. I will look into the gnome path/talk to my GM. Really appreciate all the feedback and still open to other ideas!


A witch dedication for druid could be very useful to cast more lower level spells also adding a familiar. You can also make your familiar learn many druid spells using some money for this.


Wouldn't being Wild Shaped make commanding an Animal Companion or Familiar impossible in most Battle Forms?

CRB, p. 635 wrote:
Unless otherwise noted, the battle form prevents you from casting spells, speaking, and using most manipulate actions that require hands.


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Gisher wrote:

Wouldn't being Wild Shaped make commanding an Animal Companion or Familiar impossible in most Battle Forms?

CRB, p. 635 wrote:
Unless otherwise noted, the battle form prevents you from casting spells, speaking, and using most manipulate actions that require hands.

“ During an encounter, even if you don’t use the Command an Animal action, your animal companion can still use 1 action on your turn that round to Stride or Strike.”

For the most part, I don’t plan to use my dudes in combat while I am wild-shaped, and they will still come with me/be around. Perhaps I am underutilizing them, but I won’t be constantly wild-shaped either.


BandobrasBrandytook wrote:
Gisher wrote:

Wouldn't being Wild Shaped make commanding an Animal Companion or Familiar impossible in most Battle Forms?

CRB, p. 635 wrote:
Unless otherwise noted, the battle form prevents you from casting spells, speaking, and using most manipulate actions that require hands.

“ During an encounter, even if you don’t use the Command an Animal action, your animal companion can still use 1 action on your turn that round to Stride or Strike.”

For the most part, I don’t plan to use my dudes in combat while I am wild-shaped, and they will still come with me/be around. Perhaps I am underutilizing them, but I won’t be constantly wild-shaped either.

Thanks for the answer. Animal Companions don't really interest me, so I'm not very familiar with their rules.

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