PDF-Only Subscriptions?


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Never even opened the box for Book of the Dead. It's just sitting in closet.

I know this topic has been discussed before and the answer was essentially "We won't ever do a PDF-only subscription because then we would't sell hardback books."

That answer is from 2010. Today, I suspect that a significant portion of Paizo's audience prefers PDFs and doesn't even want physical books. I donate all my books to the local gaming community these days, but even then they see little use as everyone seems to prefer PDFs now. In the end, it's a bit of extra work to pretend I'm not wasting a lot of paper.

Every community is different, so this may not be the case everywhere. I think there's also a strong contingent of people who like the hardbacks (perhaps more so in this digital age).

Has Paizo's stance evolved over the last 12 years? "We must give our customers something we don't want, otherwise we will go out of business" may be a flawed business model.

Another idea might be to opt out of physical books. I'd pay the same… I just don't want the hardback books.


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I suspect that you wouldn't want to pay the hardback price to get PDFs automatically dropped into your account, as that would be more expensive than simply buying the PDFs as they come out.

Maybe if they just provided a way to pre-order PDFs? You could then pre-order a PDF as soon as they make the book available for pre-order. You would be billed for the PDF and have the PDF granted when they release it. The e-mail announcing these events would be your signal to download the PDF and check the subscription for products that were added to the subscription since the last time. They wouldn't even need to offer a discount, as the convenience (on both sides) might be sufficient.


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If you don’t want the hardcovers, buy the PDF on release day. I promise you’ll save money, too!


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It's a day that ends in Y, time for another one of these threads.


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David knott 242 wrote:


I suspect that you wouldn't want to pay the hardback price to get PDFs automatically dropped into your account, as that would be more expensive than simply buying the PDFs as they come out.

Maybe if they just provided a way to pre-order PDFs? You could then pre-order a PDF as soon as they make the book available for pre-order. You would be billed for the PDF and have the PDF granted when they release it. The e-mail announcing these events would be your signal to download the PDF and check the subscription for products that were added to the subscription since the last time. They wouldn't even need to offer a discount, as the convenience (on both sides) might be sufficient.

I would pay the price of hardcovers to get the PFDFs a week early. Also, I like subscribing to the product line.

Hell, I'd pay it just to support Paizo.


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Doug Hahn wrote:

as everyone seems to prefer PDFs now.

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Every community is different, so this may not be the case everywhere. I think there's also a strong contingent of people who like the hardbacks

The newest Paizo subscription line is the hardback Special Editions. Hardbacks that are only different because of the covers, not because of any additional materials inside the covers.

And none of the arguments from 2010 have become obsolete: printing fewer books still puts Paizo in an upward price spiral that leads to printing fewer and fewer books.

The only direction they've gone in the past 12 years is to print more hardbacks, not fewer.


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Dancing Wind wrote:

none of the arguments from 2010 have become obsolete: printing fewer books still puts Paizo in an upward price spiral that leads to printing fewer and fewer books.

The only direction they've gone in the past 12 years is to print more hardbacks, not fewer.

The arguments become obsolete when the customers’ needs change.

Many other publishers have gone digital and/or offered digital subscription options to stay in business. Yet somehow the prevailing logic on these particular boards seems to be "Paizo should never pivot... in fact, they must print even more books."


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Doug Hahn wrote:

I would pay the price of hardcovers to get the PFDFs a week early. Also, I like subscribing to the product line.

Hell, I'd pay it just to support Paizo.

Change your shipping address to:

1} Paizo's.
2} A local library's.
3} A local school's.
4} A friend's.
5} A local recycling centre.

If this isn't "I want to pay less than a book + PDF subscription", then send the books somewhere else.


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Anguish wrote:
Doug Hahn wrote:

I would pay the price of hardcovers to get the PFDFs a week early. Also, I like subscribing to the product line.

Hell, I'd pay it just to support Paizo.

Change your shipping address to:

1} Paizo's.
2} A local library's.
3} A local school's.
4} A friend's.
5} A local recycling centre.

If this isn't "I want to pay less than a book + PDF subscription", then send the books somewhere else.

This is a good idea. Perhaps the OPF Foundation could help coordinate donations to org play lodges, conventions, or communities in need!

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