SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!

[Rysky]

BigNorseWolf wrote:

The stress is from the whole landmine esque situation of "whats going to happen when someone with a different worldview sees my words/actions through their lens."

You're slippery slopen and sliden and trying to make this too vague and nebulous and overwhelming to comprehend when it really boils down to "Don't be a jerk", it's not hard, you don't need sage to decipher the room, stop pretending like you do.

Again, not that hard. just try.

[FLite]

Rysky wrote:

"Don't be a jerk",

Obligatory Nitpick. "Don't be a jerk" was removed from the rule set, both for being too low a bar, as well as to easy to weaponize. (After all, the moment you call someone on "being a jerk" they can countercall on using derogatory language.)

It is now governed by the Paizo Org Play code of conduct, which contains the line: "Participants are expected to respect their fellow players and work together to create positive and memorable experiences."

There is a bunch of additional guidance (for example in the Pathfinder 2e rulebook) on ways you can do that. Specifically:

Page 8 - Gaming For All
Page 484 - Tools for Responsible Play
Page 486 - The Pathfinder Baseline

[Doug Hahn]

thaX wrote:

The overall situation is disappointing. I am just not sure what to post after that as (with everything else) anything I say or do could be that one thing that puts my own status on shaky ground. Even saying that particular subjects are political or inherently divisive seems to dredge up all matter of issues that have little to nothing to do with the game we actually are here to discuss and play.

I hope to keep playing the game and getting new players interested and involved. I just hate being on eggshells all the time.

This isn't what happened. This person was not banned because of their personal politics. They were banned for posting an "Enemies List" on a public forum which intimidated and harassed fellow community members. (Please see the code of conduct which outlines inappropriate behavior, including harassment and intimidation).

This person was then asked to take the list down for violating the policy. Instead, they re-posted it.

They were given ample opportunity, even though not everyone agreed with their point of view. All they had to do was not re-post the list.

There's no "cancel culture" or whatever here. Actions have consequences.

Unless you are also planning on violating the code of conduct, there is no reason why you should be concerned about your ability to "keep playing the game."

That said if you are having trouble building community because people feel unwelcome or uncomfortable at your games, it may be time for self-reflection… but that's not really in the scope of this thread. The general expectations people have at TTRPG games has changed a lot since 2010; as community builders, VOs could try to increase awareness of their own community needs at the micro level, as well as those of the OPF community on the macro level.

[Mike Kimmel]

I'd love it if this conversation could move elsewhere, as we've gone beyond the concerns of the original post, and we're well outside the "space for grieving" Tonya offered when she kept the thread open.

Questions about org play policy, or questions about how to best follow the code of conduct, are certainly reasonable topics for discussion, but please raise them somewhere with a less demoralizing thread title. I am tired of seeing "SHAME ON YOU" at the top of the forum every time somebody posts here. Please let this thread die.

[MadScientistWorking]

Mike Kimmel wrote:

I'd love it if this conversation could move elsewhere, as we've gone beyond the concerns of the original post, and we're well outside the "space for grieving" Tonya offered when she kept the thread open.

Questions about org play policy, or questions about how to best follow the code of conduct, are certainly reasonable topics for discussion, but please raise them somewhere with a less demoralizing thread title. I am tired of seeing "SHAME ON YOU" at the top of the forum every time somebody posts here. Please let this thread die.

No.... Please don't suggest that we continue that discussion elsewhere. Let it die. Just let it die. I am so entirely confused as to what just happened but just let it die.

[Gary Bush]

Where is the dead horse when you need it....

[thaX]

As I said, disappointed.

The situation as a whole, not just to any particular individual or such.

I am a but a simple role player in this game hoping to have fun at the table with dice and stats. Everyone is welcome to join me, I just hope that everyone has a good time.

[MadScientistWorking]

To hell with this. I'm escalating this through Organized Play because it's obvious you don't want to moderate your behavior or be introspective.