Obi-Wan Kenobi


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First trailer

Out may 25 on Disney plus.

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I’ve been really looking forward to this. It’ll be interesting to see at least some of the Inquisitors in live-action. And McGregor is always awesome.

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Not only looks great, but hearing those John Williams scores - fantastic!

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He finally gets to be Obi Wan again, that makes me happy.

And Duel of the Fates is forever a banger.

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Shocked that no one else has posted here yet, but loved the first two episodes. They did a really good job taking their time, establishing where Obi-wan is in his life 10 years later, and loved the unexpected reason he gets pulled back into the galactic scene.

And

Spoiler:
the actress playing young Leia is fantastic!


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So I've never been a super religious fan of Star Wars. I've seen most everything but I can't say I paid tons of attention to it. My question is a simple one: if Obi-Wan practiced with the Force in exile, say for like an hour each day, would he have been detected by The Inquisitors or DV? Is THAT why he's so out of it?

I mean, this is the guy that made it through all of the Clone Wars, and beat Anakin on Moustafar, and like, y'know, was pretty powerful. He's ALSO the guy that effortlessly convinced folks a few years from now that "these aren't the droids you're looking for" and shut down the tractor beam. I'm just trying to understand why he seems so out-of-breath when he helps Leia in Ep2.

Also, can we have a little commotion for the absolutely COLD-BLOODED actions of the Third Sister against the High Inquisitor? I'm sitting on my couch at home alone and I still shouted at my TV when she did what she did! That was RUTHLESS with a capital Ruth!

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I'm pretty sure Obi-wan hasn't used the force for 10 years because he's crushed at failing Anakin, and feels like a failure. He's not only 10 years out of practice, but also has some serious emotional blocks on it. Presumably by the end of the show he's back to using the force fully and is in much better practice by A New Hope.

As for being detected, I think that under most circumstances, a force user can't detect another unless they're "close" which could be same city or same orbiting battle station, but not same planet. Exceptions for greater range apply for strong emotional connections like Luke and Leia, Luke and Darth/Anakin, etc.

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I had actually forgotten this was debuting this week, in the excitement over Stranger Things (among other shenanigans). I’ve been debating waiting to watch it all at once, after all the episodes have aired.


The first episode was better than expected, mostly because of little Leia.
I just hope it turns out better than Boba Fett.

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After speaking with my brother, I finally got around to giving this a try.
I agree with him - it’s pretty decent, but has some problems.

Thoughts:

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I never thought I’d genuinely dislike Leia, but then I got introduced to her as a ten year old. What a spoiled little brat. Her cousin was even worse.

I guess either Disney doesn’t give a crap about it’s own canon, or the Grand Inquisitor is only very sleepy. Since he’s supposed to be one of the main villains In Star Wars Rebels (which is about 4-5 years later).

For a bunch of evil space wizards, these Sith sure do give a lot of chances to the one who keeps screwing things up. She’s got to be the luckiest villain in the galaxy. Let’s just hope she doesn’t make the mistake of coming out of light speed to close to the system.

Reva somehow knows a secret that, until now was supposedly only known by maybe 3 to 5 people in the whole galaxy?

Demonstrating once again how silly some plot elements are, yet another force user has no idea Leia is not only force-sensitive, but Anakin’s daughter. At least this time it was only the least of the Inquisitors doing what looked like a mind probe, and not her actual father.

Some great action sequences, though. And lots of cool new locations. McGregor is awesome, as always. I would say Hayden Is as well, but all he’s doing is wearing a suit. I like the inquisitor with the funky hat, just because of the hat.

And that voice - it’s creepy, but I read they used some advanced AI stuff to create an exact rendition of James Earl Jones. That’s Running Man level creepy.

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Some further thoughts on where I think they’re going with this:

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The Grand Inquisitor mentioned finding Reva on the streets (or something like that). I’m guessing at one point, after escaping the temple with her fellow young students, they were set out on this Path to safety. They got separated, and she was captured and gave in to the Dark Side.

So now she’s obsessed with Obi Wan because she maybe thinks he was involved in the Path (maybe from his warning message all those years ago). If she finds The Path, she can discover what happened to her old friends. Then she can tell them how awesome the Empire is, and get them to come join.

Except, maybe she doesn’t know about all those corpses down in the basement? Maybe she doesn’t know that it looks like perhaps one of the kids she was escaping with is down there? Maybe all of them? And that’ll be what turns her back to the Light.

Hopefully, just in time for the reveal that the Grand Inquisitor only had a flesh wound.


Aberzombie wrote:

After speaking with my brother, I finally got around to giving this a try.

I agree with him - it’s pretty decent, but has some problems.

Thoughts:

** spoiler omitted **

That actually is James Earl Jones, at least in Episode Three. I didn't watch the credits for yesterday's episode, though.

EDIT: I went and looked at the end credits and sure enough, JEJ is the voice of Darth Vader in Episode IV.

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DungeonmasterCal wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:

After speaking with my brother, I finally got around to giving this a try.

I agree with him - it’s pretty decent, but has some problems.

Thoughts:

** spoiler omitted **

That actually is James Earl Jones, at least in Episode Three. I didn't watch the credits for yesterday's episode, though.

EDIT: I went and looked at the end credits and sure enough, JEJ is the voice of Darth Vader in Episode IV.

Yeah, it’s weird. They have two notes about it in IMDb:

“ As of the third episode James Earl Jones reprises his voice role as Darth Vader.”

And

“ Although James Earl Jones is credited as the voice of Darth Vader, he didn't actually record new lines for this series. A company called Respeecher used advanced AI software to analyze Jones' voice and recreate a perfect rendition of Darth Vader's voice. The same technology was previously used in The Mandalorian (2019) and The Book of Boba Fett (2021) in order to clone Mark Hamill's voice.”

I hope it turns out to be a mix of the two, as it’s kick ass to think he himself is still performing his most iconic role.


Interesting. Thanks!!

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I’ve read a number of articles about this from CNN, Deadline, Daily Mail, TV Line, and a number of others, and they all confirm the James Earl Jones did the voice and recorded all the dialog.

Some of these did say that Respeecher — the same company that digitally modified the dialog Mark Hamil had recorded to sound more like a thirtysomething Luke Skywalker’s voice for The Mandalorian and Boba Fett — provided “Voice Conversion Services” for this episode.

So basically Jones recorded all his dialog and then they digitally ‘de-aged’ it to sound like the Vader from the original movies


I've never understood how a mechanical suit gets us from Mr Christiansen's mid-nasal "You underestimate my POWER!" on Mustafar to the deep, menacing "If only you knew the true POWer… of the Dark Side" from James Earl Jones. Like, the cadence is different, tone, depth, all of it. Is... is THAT what autotune does in real life?


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I've never understood how a mechanical suit gets us from Mr Christiansen's mid-nasal "You underestimate my POWER!" on Mustafar to the deep, menacing "If only you knew the true POWer… of the Dark Side" from James Earl Jones. Like, the cadence is different, tone, depth, all of it. Is... is THAT what autotune does in real life?

If you had to have a helmet on anyway why WOULDN"T you make your voice sound like that?


Helmets are cool.

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Soooo…..

Spoiler:
Qui-Gon Jinn was a wuss. He couldn’t even survive getting stabbed by a lightsaber.

And how the hell did Reva get to Tatooine so quickly?

And why didn’t the refugee ship go to light speed? The shuttle it was carrying had a hyperdrive. The big ship didn’t?

The fight between Obi-Wan and Vader was pretty kick ass, though. The one in Revenge of the Sith was better, however. So was the fight between Vader and Ahsoka in Rebels (which is where the Obi-Wan writer ripped off Vader-gets-his-helmet-cut-open-in-a-lightsaber-duel).

Owen kicks ass.

Overall, assessment - this could have been much better. There was some poor writing, plot holes, and too many character arcs going on.

I think, especially, the writing did a disservice to the two main characters: Reva and Obi-Wan. If they had separated the stories, given Reva her own parallel series, this could have been much better. They could have fleshed her out and given the actress much more to work with. At the same time, for this series they could have then focused more on the character that actually had his name in the title.

In the end, it was entertaining, but it had enough flaws to reinforce my approach to future Disney projects - cautiously pessimistic.


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Aberzombie wrote:
And why didn’t the refugee ship go to light speed? The shuttle it was carrying had a hyperdrive. The big ship didn’t?

Because at the end of Episode V right before Reva found the abandoned communicator, Roken sat down next to Kenobi sighed and said: "Our hyperdrive is down."

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dirtypool wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:
And why didn’t the refugee ship go to light speed? The shuttle it was carrying had a hyperdrive. The big ship didn’t?
Because at the end of Episode V right before Reva found the abandoned communicator, Roken sat down next to Kenobi sighed and said: "Our hyperdrive is down."

I don’t remember that, but I’m old(ish) and forgetful. Still, that would make sense.

Unfortunately, it would also show the writer didn’t do his research in Star Wars history. Even if they couldn’t use the hyperdrive from the shuttle to repair the one for the larger ship, they might have been able to launch the shuttle, dock it with the ship, then use the hyperdrive for both to escape. They’ve shown that being done in Rebels.

Or, they just needed the convenience of plot.


There's also dialogue about the repairs in episode VI.


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Aberzombie wrote:
Unfortunately, it would also show the writer didn’t do his research in Star Wars history. Even if they couldn’t use the hyperdrive from the shuttle to repair the one for the larger ship, they might have been able to launch the shuttle, dock it with the ship, then use the hyperdrive for both to escape. They’ve shown that being done in Rebels.

You can remember this detail but not specific dialogue explaining the events occurring in the episode you just watched?

I watched every episode of Rebels and I don't even remember that.

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dirtypool wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:
Unfortunately, it would also show the writer didn’t do his research in Star Wars history. Even if they couldn’t use the hyperdrive from the shuttle to repair the one for the larger ship, they might have been able to launch the shuttle, dock it with the ship, then use the hyperdrive for both to escape. They’ve shown that being done in Rebels.

You can remember this detail but not specific dialogue explaining the events occurring in the episode you just watched?

I watched every episode of Rebels and I don't even remember that.

Yeah, memory is weird. Especially when you’re old, married, or both (like me). But I’ve seen all four seasons of Rebels like 4 or 5 times (most recently like a week or three ago).

Anyway, I think they did that trick a couple of times, but the one I do remember is when the introduced the B-Wing. They attached the shuttle to it so it could jump to light speed, because it’s hyperdrive was either broken or not installed.

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I wondered how Reva even GOT to Tatooine, much less so fast. Sure she knew to go there from the lost communicator, but she was left for dead, in an abandoned rebel base which had taken their only transport out of there (after Vader crushed the other), and the Empire presumably took their own ships with them. So, not only how did she leave at all, but how did she get there so fast since Hyperdrive and lightspeed travel isn't instantaneous. The same problem exists for how Obi-Wan got there so quickly after his fight with Vader...but at least he had a ship!


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On its own terms the show was decent. As a narrative that fits in with the rest of the established story, it has some serious flaws.

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JoelF847 wrote:
I wondered how Reva even GOT to Tatooine, much less so fast. Sure she knew to go there from the lost communicator, but she was left for dead, in an abandoned rebel base which had taken their only transport out of there (after Vader crushed the other), and the Empire presumably took their own ships with them. So, not only how did she leave at all, but how did she get there so fast since Hyperdrive and lightspeed travel isn't instantaneous. The same problem exists for how Obi-Wan got there so quickly after his fight with Vader...but at least he had a ship!

I can’t remember if she flew down in her own Tie Fighter, or came down with the troops.

Otherwise, I think Star Wars has long had a problem with the time it takes to get from one planet to another. It seems to usually be “speed of plot”.


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Aberzombie wrote:
Anyway, I think they did that trick a couple of times, but the one I do remember is when the introduced the B-Wing. They attached the shuttle to it so it could jump to light speed, because it’s hyperdrive was either broken or not installed.

Wait, you mean the episode where Hera tested the B-Wing prototype? They used the hyperdrive of the larger ship to jump the two docked ship, not what you're suggesting of using the smaller ship to jump the larger ship.


That has traditionally been the case, but sometimes it's more noticeable than others.

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dirtypool wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:
Anyway, I think they did that trick a couple of times, but the one I do remember is when the introduced the B-Wing. They attached the shuttle to it so it could jump to light speed, because it’s hyperdrive was either broken or not installed.
Wait, you mean the episode where Hera tested the B-Wing prototype? They used the hyperdrive of the larger ship to jump the two docked ship, not what you're suggesting of using the smaller ship to jump the larger ship.

Yeah, that’s the episode. Although I think the ships were actually kind of close in size.

Not sure if the maneuver would have worked in this case, since it usually seems to be either ships of equal size, or the larger doing to the jumping. Still, it would be nice if the writers were aware enough of the history of the franchise to at least make a show of acknowledging the possibility.

Like I said before, though, it might also have been “speed of plot”, so to speak. They needed Obi-Wan to separate, so the plot was bent in that direction.


I didn't like this show, for the same reason I didn't really enjoy a lot of the prequels. There are no stakes. "Oh no, DV is dragging Obi-Wan through fire! Will he survive?" Of course he will, he has to be in A New Hope.

This isn't just a failing of the writing but of the show runners and producers themselves. They are unwilling to rewrite history, retcon anything; they are beholden to the continuity that, I don't know... puts eyes on screens, brings the most money, or whatever cynical reason for not upsetting the apple cart.

I was infinitely more invested in Reva's redemption than anything between Obi-Wan and DV. In fact, it didn't make any sense to me that Darth would even be involved. "When I left you, I was but the learner; now I am the master!" Sounds to me like a line walking right off the heels of "Don't try it Anakin; I have the HIGH GROUND" to me.

But Reva being a conflicted Jedi-turned-Inquisitor in the midst of Obi-Wan, himself a conflicted old master... that story's got some heart to it. The Leia-gets-kidnapped plot was fun I suppose but again, we already KNOW she's immune to any real consequences so meh.

And even that moment, when the helmet gets cut open and DV hisses at Obi-Wan that he ended Anakin... it just wasn't all that compelling to me. Maybe I'm just cynical and jaded but we already KNOW Anakin is gone at that point in the timeline and that no one will reach him until Luke decades later so, shrug. I mean, I'm a little sad that Obi-Wan had to go through that realization, but all it really did was confirm one of his fears, even as he's finally learning not to be ruled by those fears in the first place.

Obi-Wan didn't grow. DV didn't grow. Even Leia did little in the way of character growth. The show just felt, I don't know... unnecessary somehow.

Recently I went back and watched Rogue One and started trying to make myself get into the Rebels cartoon the way I got into The Clone Wars. Along with Reva's story, these are good reminders that there was an entire GALAXY of battle, loss and redemption out there that have nothing to do with Episodes 4, 5 and 6 on the big screen. But without the sacrifice of those who came before her, Princess Leia would never have had plans to jam into an R2 unit, plans she referred to as "hope."

I am one with the Force, and the Force is with me...


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They are unwilling to rewrite history, retcon anything;

In fact, it didn't make any sense to me that Darth would even be involved. "When I left you, I was but the learner; now I am the master!" Sounds to me like a line walking right off the heels of "Don't try it Anakin; I have the HIGH GROUND" to me.

Conflicting statements. I agree with your assessment about things not making sense, hence my previous assertion that the story doesn't make sense in relation to the films. In order for that to be the case, they have to rewrite something.

Personally, I don't want them to retcon stuff or deviate too far from established stories. Then you get stuff like Vergere suddenly being a crappy darksider, Jacen doing a 180 plunge to baddie, the sequel trilogy, CW/Rebels Force gods, etc.


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Aberzombie wrote:
\Not sure if the maneuver would have worked in this case, since it usually seems to be either ships of equal size, or the larger doing to the jumping. Still, it would be nice if the writers were aware enough of the history of the franchise to at least make a show of acknowledging the possibility.

That's the only time I really remember it happening in a canon product. They did it in the now erased EU a bunch, and there were rules for it as far back as the WEG Star Wars. So I'm not sure what would be gained by using a questionably canonical thing like that to erase the stakes in the final episode of a limited series.

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dirtypool wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:
\Not sure if the maneuver would have worked in this case, since it usually seems to be either ships of equal size, or the larger doing to the jumping. Still, it would be nice if the writers were aware enough of the history of the franchise to at least make a show of acknowledging the possibility.
That's the only time I really remember it happening in a canon product. They did it in the now erased EU a bunch, and there were rules for it as far back as the WEG Star Wars. So I'm not sure what would be gained by using a questionably canonical thing like that to erase the stakes in the final episode of a limited series.

Personally, I wouldn’t have been hoping for “erasing the stakes”, so much as someone asks “why can’t we do this to escape”, followed by someone else saying why they can’t. It’s a small detail, but the kind of thing that drives a nitpicking a-hole like myself crazy. So it would really be for my own sanity.

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