This slimy trash slave option for player purchase should be off the SRDs


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Option to purchase slave on the Archives of Nethys

Option to purchase slave on the Pathfinder 1 SRD

I can't believe I missed this on the SRDs all these years. Then again until COVID I played at my buddies' houses using books and we never bought the book this trash is in. But this should just be gone. I am so happy I don't have players that tried to "buy a slave" as a player purchasable option.

No wonder the writers are pissed off and a certain segment of the player base.

What's next? I'm supposed to role-play with my player the life of a slave? Have some guy telling how he was taken from his family or people, beaten until he submitted to servitude, and if he gets out of line or tries to escape let the player hire a slave breaker to put him back in line?

The people that run these SRDs that think is an ok option to have on there as a player purchasable option should get rid of that trash. Fricking terrible idea.


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Paizo does not operate these.

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It is not buying another person though.

I think the sites should take the slaves as goods down. I don't think Paizo will be angry at them should they do it.

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Thank you. Much appreciated.

Sorry to be hard on this. But I wish I had known ages ago. I don't go looking for things like this and neither do my players thankfully. So I really had no idea this option existed. No book I know ever provided this option in all my years of playing that I know of. It's really weird someone made it a player option gamebook.

Thanks for being understanding. Once again, much appreciated.


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I try to use the SRD over Archives whenever possible because they are great at responding and take feedback to heart. Glob I have prolly spent a good chunk on there from all the DSP and Legendary games stuff in PF1 cause well the creator and folks working the site kick arse. :)

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The "buy a slave" option was debated as far back as Season 1 of PFS. It was in the players' guide as an option.

-Skeld

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Man, good thing it's winter, lots of easy sledding with these slippery slopes

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David knott 242 wrote:
But listing a sale price for slaves implies that, by default, it is possible for player characters in most places to purchase slaves in a freely open market at well established prices, which is definitely not supported in the PF2 setting and was questionable even in the PF1 setting (as I don't think Andoran was the only nation that had both legally and practically outlawed slavery at that time).

Disagree. The fact it was listed on the black market list automatically means its not a "freely open market." It might be possible to buy a slave in say Katapesh, but that does not mean they will automatically be available everywhere. In 2E we would categorize it as 'uncommon' at the very least and probably 'rare' given the examples of rare that already exist in the game.

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Ah yes, it being uncommon makes it perfectly okay to allow for non-evil characters.

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I really wish that Pathfinder had never included pricing for slaves. I think it would be good to remove that from SRD sites. If 2e introduced a slave buying option, it would give me serious reservations about playing the game.


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I never knew that information existed - but had I run across it, I would have assumed that it was intended to represent what evil NPCs pay, not as a player option.

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Why do you ever need to know what the evil NPCs pay? Why would that information need to be sanctioned for Pathfinder Society use? Players in Society play did in fact use it, despite not being allowed to be evil.


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Cori Marie wrote:
Why do you ever need to know what the evil NPCs pay? Why would that information need to be sanctioned for Pathfinder Society use? Players in Society play did in fact use it, despite not being allowed to be evil.

You never ‘need’ to know anything.

And I agree it should never be allowed in PFS play.


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Cori Marie wrote:
Why do you ever need to know what the evil NPCs pay? Why would that information need to be sanctioned for Pathfinder Society use? Players in Society play did in fact use it, despite not being allowed to be evil.

It might be of use if you get hold of their ledger books. That said, something like this, if it's going to appear at all, would be better placed somewhere outside of a table of PC market options.

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Vardoc Bloodstone wrote:
Cori Marie wrote:
Why do you ever need to know what the evil NPCs pay? Why would that information need to be sanctioned for Pathfinder Society use? Players in Society play did in fact use it, despite not being allowed to be evil.

You never ‘need’ to know anything.

And I agree it should never be allowed in PFS play.

It shouldn't, and yet it was. PFS players (who have to be neutral or good, because evil is not allowed in PFS play) were allowed to purchase slaves.

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It could come up if a PC wanted to buy a slave to free them, if they couldn't easily free them by violence against the slavers (like if they were undercover). I'm fairly certain this happened in a PFS game I played in many years back, possibly the Bloodcove Disguise (and before the price was listed in any product).


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JoelF847 wrote:
It could come up if a PC wanted to buy a slave to free them, if they couldn't easily free them by violence against the slavers (like if they were undercover). I'm fairly certain this happened in a PFS game I played in many years back, possibly the Bloodcove Disguise (and before the price was listed in any product).

This exact situation happened in my Legacy of Fire game that I added Broken Chains into slightly lvled up during part 3 of the AP. Even though it would later make it harder for my PCs by making them well known when they went to the slave auction in that module, they willingly spent money to buy the freedom of every slave they could (And then returned later that night to murder their way through all the slavers and rescue all the other slaves) Actually used the SRD to tell them how much they were going to have to spend at the time.


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This isn't censorship by any meaningful definition. This is private individuals and entities deciding what they want to spend their time/resources on supporting and maintaining.

We have a word for that: editing.


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I think this thread has run its course. We really don't need yet another thread for some people to advocate how important it is for them that slavery should play a role in other people's games


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Yep.


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Phillip Gastone wrote:
There could be a thread...

I think the mods are telling us to give those threads a rest for now.


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Vorsk, Follower or Erastil wrote:
JoelF847 wrote:
It could come up if a PC wanted to buy a slave to free them, if they couldn't easily free them by violence against the slavers...
This exact situation happened in my Legacy of Fire game...

PCs buying slaves to free them during a Legacy of Fire campaign (all but turning out their pockets to buy every slave they could in a now-or-never situation) is how those prices came into play for me as well.

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John Mangrum wrote:
Vorsk, Follower or Erastil wrote:
JoelF847 wrote:
It could come up if a PC wanted to buy a slave to free them, if they couldn't easily free them by violence against the slavers...
This exact situation happened in my Legacy of Fire game...
PCs buying slaves to free them during a Legacy of Fire campaign (all but turning out their pockets to buy every slave they could in a now-or-never situation) is how those prices came into play for me as well.

Any GM can improvise for such really specific needs pretty easily. No need for Paizo to provide them and make them available in PFS.


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The Raven Black wrote:
John Mangrum wrote:
Vorsk, Follower or Erastil wrote:
JoelF847 wrote:
It could come up if a PC wanted to buy a slave to free them, if they couldn't easily free them by violence against the slavers...
This exact situation happened in my Legacy of Fire game...
PCs buying slaves to free them during a Legacy of Fire campaign (all but turning out their pockets to buy every slave they could in a now-or-never situation) is how those prices came into play for me as well.
Any GM can improvise for such really specific needs pretty easily. No need for Paizo to provide them and make them available in PFS.

Agree whole heartedly on the PFS angle. That is ABOSLUTLY not necessarily. But finding something as such listed in a Black Market book and giving a gm guidance, I'm not opposed to it being listed. I was kind of thankful not having to come up with a gp value for how much they would need to pay. Having something as a reference, options specifically ONLY for GM reference and GM use to help tell a story (with content warnings and such) I can see as beneficial.


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It is however, Paizo's game and company and they have the right to publish and not publish whatever they want and I stand by it. Same with the SRDs. If they desire to not have something that was published in a book listed, I will not complain. It's their right to not have something they view as problematic listed.

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