Suggestion for mods: please add (banned) suffix to the names of posters that have been banned.

[Kobold Catgirl]

I don't see how TNG is relevant. He's obviously not banned, since he's still actively posting. That reference is strange. ^-^

[The Raven Black]

Gorbacz is not banned ?

[Cintra Bristol]

Kobold Catgirl wrote:

Tender Tendrils wrote:

Yeah, there is literally a user who hasn't posted in like a week, and I have been stress-checking the posts portion of their profile because I am afraid they are just busy instead of banned and that they will come back. Not knowing if they are gone or not means I can't let out a sigh of relief and fully relax.

I've been regularly checking one poster's PbPs for the exact same reason.

Knowing the trolls have caused this for you both makes me really sad. <Hugs> This roller coaster of things getting bad, getting better, then new toxic posters rolling in, is exhausting. Those directly targeted should have a right to know what's actions are taken against the people causing misery.

If you send an email to CS with INTOLERANCE in the subject line and draw attention to the specific toxic posters, will Paizo let you know the status of your harassers once they address it? Will they let you know now if you ask about the specific people whose past behavior still has you on edge?

For whatever it's worth, I cast my vote in favor of forum tags, or basically any other solution Team Paizo can come up with, to make it so those being harassed can know when their harassers are banned.

[Kobold Catgirl]

The Raven Black wrote:

Gorbacz is not banned ?

Gorbacz? I think he was, why?

[Kobold Catgirl]

They haven't done this so far, aside from one time where the moderator explicitly posted saying a user had been banned.

[thejeff]

The Raven Black wrote:

Gorbacz is not banned ?

Of course, but we're talking about Totally Not Gorbacz, who is obviously totally not Gorbacz.

It's a fair point, but mechanically the account isn't the same. The Totally Not Gorbacz username wouldn't have a Banned tag,

[Kobold Catgirl]

It's in the name, it's weird that anyone would be confused.

[dirtypool]

Andy Brown wrote:

I'm not convinced it would have stopped the pile-on for disagreeing though.

Yeah, the entirety of the pile on was about the comparison.

[Cap'n Yesterday, Not a Yithian]

Kobold Catgirl wrote:

It's in the name, it's weird that anyone would be confused.

Indeed. *End transmission*

[Kobold Catgirl]

hjgjhgh I posted this in the other thread, realized it was the wrong thread and went to delete it, but in those 21 seconds the thread got locked

anyways

I still don't get how marking someone as (BANNED) would lead to bullying. What are we gonna do, follow them to Twitter? I'd get it if we were discussing a tag for, like, "this user has been moderated x times" (though, again, I don't think it's more likely to cause bullying than the behavior that got them disciplined), but they're literally gone.

[The Raven Black]

thejeff wrote:

The Raven Black wrote:

Gorbacz is not banned ?

Of course, but we're talking about Totally Not Gorbacz, who is obviously totally not Gorbacz.

It's a fair point, but mechanically the account isn't the same. The Totally Not Gorbacz username wouldn't have a Banned tag,

True. But the user (not TNG : I am now talking of bigots and such) might point their fellows to their Banned accounts for bragging rights.

:-(

But, again, I think even this risk is far too small.

Banned tags should be a thing so that good people can feel safer.

[Caydens Designated Driver]

Having a banned tag could also make it easier to understand threads, there have been a few where I was reading and obviously someone said something and a bunch of posts quoting it or such are caught in the deletion as well. I am all for the removal system in place most of the time but sometimes I think that a ton of discussion is lost in the crossfire.

Maybe something like removing the original posts but letting replies that don't violate ToS stay up with the banned tag on the OP being referenced ?

[Andy Brown]

Caydens Designated Driver wrote:

Maybe something like removing the original posts but letting replies that don't violate ToS stay up with the banned tag on the OP being referenced ?

Problem there is that, as far as I can tell, quoting is purely a textual thing with no actual reference back to the quoted user, so adding the tag to each quote would be a manual job

[Andy Brown]

Kobold Catgirl wrote:

I'd get it if we were discussing a tag for, like, "this user has been moderated x times"

I'm going to acknowledge that I somehow got the impression that a tag for a temp ban was being suggested as well as for effectively deactivated accounts.

Reading through this thread again I can't see where anybody else mentioned that, so I'm going to assume I was reading through various things about temporary and permanent suspensions and mixed some of that in with this. That's on me.

I still think it's a bad idea and hiding the accounts would be better, but if the system makes putting up text possible and checking the suspension flag to hide the account impossible, then it's another reason to modernise (and disconnect the forums and the store)

[thejeff]

Andy Brown wrote:

Kobold Catgirl wrote:

I'd get it if we were discussing a tag for, like, "this user has been moderated x times"

I'm going to acknowledge that I somehow got the impression that a tag for a temp ban was being suggested as well as for effectively deactivated accounts.

Reading through this thread again I can't see where anybody else mentioned that, so I'm going to assume I was reading through various things about temporary and permanent suspensions and mixed some of that in with this. That's on me.

I still think it's a bad idea and hiding the accounts would be better, but if the system makes putting up text possible and checking the suspension flag to hide the account impossible, then it's another reason to modernise (and disconnect the forums and the store)

Someone did suggest "Suspended until X" for temporary ones, but I'd assume the notice would go away once the suspension ended.

[Andy Brown]

thejeff wrote:

Someone did suggest "Suspended until X" for temporary ones, but I'd assume the notice would go away once the suspension ended.

That was later, I'm not going to use it as an escape clause

[Cori Marie]

And technically permanent bans are temporary suspensions with no end date with how these forums are set up, so it might be necessary to implement the date.

[Vardoc Bloodstone]

I like the idea of a tag. But I’d understand if it was technically impossible, or just really, really hard to do.

Also - I just realized today that I’ve been pronouncing TNG as “Gorbachev” in my head this whole time.

[Master Han Del of the Web]

Vardoc Bloodstone wrote:

Also - I just realized today that I’ve been pronouncing TNG as “Gorbachev” in my head this whole time.

Somehow the name still works.

[Wei Ji the Learner]

I keep seeing TNG and my brain goes "So, is this about the whole 'Worf Effect' thing, or more how Picard is such a caffeine addict that he can't function without it?"

[Tristan d'Ambrosius]

Riker's sitting down on chairs leg throw technique.

[TriOmegaZero]

Maybe like Riker growing the beard.

[Tristan d'Ambrosius]

But there's no cool moniker for growing a beard a la The Picard Maneuver. But sitting down? The Riker Mount.

[Umbral Reaver]

To anyone saying the tag is hard to do:

Custom tags already exist. They can just add them. They've already done so for people before.

[Ronan the Liberated]

PFS already strikethroughs the name of characters that have been marked deceased. It should be doable to do the same for banned users.

[Mark Stratton]

I understand why people are asking for this, but I’d like us to avoid getting into the whole Scarlet Letter thing if we could.

[Rysky]

Again, we’re not asking for anti-achievement system for people using the forums, we’re asking for some sort of title or notification that a banned account is banned.

[Mark Stratton]

Rysky wrote:

Again, we’re not asking for anti-achievement system for people using the forums, we’re asking for some sort of title or notification that a banned account is banned.

Banned just means they can’t post correct? What’s the one where they can’t even access their digital materials they have purchased? I don’t think any of us needs to know the latter.

[Kobold Catgirl]

We are using "banned" to mean "permanently suspended" here, since the distinction doesn't really matter in this discussion and it's a lot faster to say one than the other.

[Mark Stratton]

Kobold Catgirl wrote:

We are using "banned" to mean "permanently suspended" here, since the distinction doesn't really matter in this discussion and it's a lot faster to say one than the other.

So not affecting their purchases. Well I have significantly less of an issue then. (Just wanted to be sure I knew what we were talking about.)

Thanks!

[Paulyhedron]

I remember seeing movie boxes at video stores (dating myself a tad here) when I was a kid that would have a label on them 'Banned in 40 countries' or similar. Usually shock films (Faces of Death was the big one) but it was a badge of honor or something. Wouldn't be surprised if that's still not a thing. Careful what you wish for I guess?

[Grankless]

People aren't going to Speedrun getting banned because they think it'll make them look cooler. That account can't be used for anything at that point.

I love glancing at old Something Awful threads (shout-out to the guy who sawed through the joists in his bathroom floor) and seeing people's avatars just replaced with BANNED. Any downside to marking banned users, who cannot participate in the community anymore, as such is kind of just made up and intangible, whereas knowing someone can't make trouble anymore has a lot of tangible benefits to the people affected by that banned person.

[Cori Marie]

I mean how is it a badge of honor when you can't come back to gloat about it? If they come back and gloat about it with a different account, that account will also be banned. It's not hard.

[Paulyhedron]

Cori Marie wrote:

I mean how is it a badge of honor when you can't come back to gloat about it? If they come back and gloat about it with a different account, that account will also be banned. It's not hard.

Its the internet, people do stupid things all of the time for no other reason than they think its cool. People support games as a service which they never own and just keep spending money on it, I don't get it but the developers/publishers of them are getting wealthy on it as an example. People just do silly things.

[Kobold Catgirl]

I'm not really going to build policy around hypothetical irrational people who we've never actually seen in action. Especially since, frankly, "guy who gets banned on one account, then braged about it on a second and gets banned again" sounds like a pretty self-resolving problem.

I honestly feel like people are trying to think of ways to weigh in with a unique take when really there's nothing to say other than, "Sure, this sounds fine." It's a very inoffensive suggestion.

[The Raven Black]

The benefits do greatly surpass the risks IMO.

[David knott 242]

Cori Marie wrote:

I mean how is it a badge of honor when you can't come back to gloat about it? If they come back and gloat about it with a different account, that account will also be banned. It's not hard.

They would just have to find a gaming forum that doesn't care about Paizo. On the other hand, any forums that do care about Paizo would be rid of that person.

[TwilightKnight]

Caydens Designated Driver wrote:

Having a banned tag could also make it easier to understand threads, there have been a few where I was reading and obviously someone said something and a bunch of posts quoting it or such are caught in the deletion as well.

If clarity of conversation is a 'thing' we want to preserve, it could easily be done by simple using the strikethough font and adding a moderator comment at the beginning of the post that says something to the effect of "this post contains [TAG]" or somesuch as opposed to deleted entire swathes of posts. People who don't want to read those comments can easily skip them without reading them and those who want full context can. Pretty simple really.

[Wei Ji the Learner]

I'm a bit confused when 'this idea for a suggestion' became 'part of the mob mentality around here'.

Maybe it's just me, but that doesn't seem very helpful to the conversation.

Be safe and careful out there, folks, and be better to each other.

Why Better?:

Not 'Good', anymore, because that's been perverted by a subset of folks that Believes that the only 'Good' is narrowly defined faith-based 'Good' of their particular flavor of Belief.

[TwilightKnight]

Andy Brown wrote:

Neither case stops a new account being created.

If a person is banned, AFAIK there is nothing stopping them from creating a new email address, using it to create a new user account, and continue to participate in the forums. Banning an account does not stop the user, it only stops the user's account.