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Just wondering Heroes feast is a 1hour banquet that provides a lot of benefits but doesn't mention actually feeding you. Create food and water specifies if creates enough food to feed for a day. So is the 1 hour banquet a meal, enough for a day's nutrition, mechanically beneficial but not nutritious so your still hungry afterwards or does this question belong in advice?
the short explanation of the spell (on the table) read:
Heroes' Feast: Food for one creature/level cures and grants combat bonuses.
but you are right. it never say the food is enough for a day's nourishment like other spells (such as 'goodberries' etc)
so short answer - yes it provide food, but raw it might not be fulfilling enough ;)
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"You bring forth a great feast, including a magnificent table, chairs, service, and food and drink." The rules of thirst and starvation don't require consuming food and liquids at multiple times throughout the day, but simply "at least a gallon of fluids and about a pound of decent food per day". Any GM or other player insisting that the spell's "great feast" doesn't provide that is either trolling, or a dick.
That and goodberry is literally just a single berry, not a feast that is obviously much bigger than 1lb of food, hence its own clarifying statement.
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"You bring forth a great feast, including a magnificent table, chairs, service, and food and drink." The rules of thirst and starvation don't require consuming food and liquids at multiple times throughout the day, but simply "at least a gallon of fluids and about a pound of decent food per day". Any GM or other player insisting that the spell's "great feast" doesn't provide that is either trolling, or a dick.
So treat it like other spells the feast is enough for a day's meal in addition to other benefits.
Thanks to everyone who replied.
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"You bring forth a great feast, including a magnificent table, chairs, service, and food and drink." The rules of thirst and starvation don't require consuming food and liquids at multiple times throughout the day, but simply "at least a gallon of fluids and about a pound of decent food per day". Any GM or other player insisting that the spell's "great feast" doesn't provide that is either trolling, or a dick.
1 U.S. liquid gallon = 3.785411784 liters
Almost 4 liters is a lot of fluids. Doctors suggest to during at least 1.5 liters of water in a day. Even adding other sources, more than doubling that quantity is a big intake of liquids.
It is different if we calculate the water used in cooking.
So, the rules refer to a different kind of gallon or really they say that you need almost 4 liters of liquids every day? And up to 12 liters in hot climates?
English/US measures sometimes are really weird.
My gaming group has noticed that the spell doesn't say it gives nourishment (a difference on previous edition of it), but we decided that it was an oversight when it was ported over to Pathfinder, and it gives nourishment.
It has been already been nerfed when compared to the earlier editions.
1 U.S. liquid gallon = 3.785411784 litersAlmost 4 liters is a lot of fluids. Doctors suggest to during at least 1.5 liters of water in a day. Even adding other sources, more than doubling that quantity is a big intake of liquids.
It is different if we calculate the water used in cooking.So, the rules refer to a different kind of gallon or really they say that you need almost 4 liters of liquids every day? And up to 12 liters in hot climates?
English/US measures sometimes are really weird.
In 2008 I had an office job in a building beside of a pharmacy. Sometimes I would skip lunch and buy a gallon (3.785411784 liters) of chocolate 1% milk from the pharmacy's cooler instead. I'd drink it throughout the day. Sure, that much chocolate milk was full of sugar and was ultimately unhealthy, but it basically left me feeling full all day.
Drinking 1 gallon of water in a day sounds very reasonable to me. Perhaps in the hour duration of Hero's Feast it sounds a good bit less reasonable though.
I'd treat partaking in a Hero's Feast as eating for the day though.
"You bring forth a great feast, including a magnificent table, chairs, service, and food and drink." The rules of thirst and starvation don't require consuming food and liquids at multiple times throughout the day, but simply "at least a gallon of fluids and about a pound of decent food per day". Any GM or other player insisting that the spell's "great feast" doesn't provide that is either trolling, or a dick.1 U.S. liquid gallon = 3.785411784 liters
Almost 4 liters is a lot of fluids. Doctors suggest to during at least 1.5 liters of water in a day. Even adding other sources, more than doubling that quantity is a big intake of liquids.
It is different if we calculate the water used in cooking.So, the rules refer to a different kind of gallon or really they say that you need almost 4 liters of liquids every day? And up to 12 liters in hot climates?
English/US measures sometimes are really weird.
A gallon of water seems a bit much, but the US system seems to prefer whole numbers (originally I wrote "imperial system," but apparently the imperial system measures gallons differently. Weird non-metric users.). I guess they could've said "three pints," but perhaps pints are less well known?
That completely aside, also take in mind that this is not a normal person's intake, but an adventurer's. People who wear heavy armour, do lots of physical activities, and endure great moments of stress (combat). They'd sweat a lot, I think. I can imagine their liquid intake would be a bit higher than a regular office worker's. Especially now in the modern day, where we basically don't have to exert ourselves anymore.
Probably has more to do with washing it all down. Also, usually you aren't drinking pure water and the whole "having a cleric to summon pure water" is an exception to the norm for most people in the world. But if you're sweating from actual exertion, eating a bunch of starchy food, and also drinking beer (which depending on its concentration can actually dehydrate you), a gallon of fluids in all seems way more reasonable as an abstraction.
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"You bring forth a great feast, including a magnificent table, chairs, service, and food and drink." The rules of thirst and starvation don't require consuming food and liquids at multiple times throughout the day, but simply "at least a gallon of fluids and about a pound of decent food per day". Any GM or other player insisting that the spell's "great feast" doesn't provide that is either trolling, or a dick.1 U.S. liquid gallon = 3.785411784 liters
Almost 4 liters is a lot of fluids. Doctors suggest to during at least 1.5 liters of water in a day. Even adding other sources, more than doubling that quantity is a big intake of liquids.
It is different if we calculate the water used in cooking.So, the rules refer to a different kind of gallon or really they say that you need almost 4 liters of liquids every day? And up to 12 liters in hot climates?
English/US measures sometimes are really weird.
My gaming group has noticed that the spell doesn't say it gives nourishment (a difference on previous edition of it), but we decided that it was an oversight when it was ported over to Pathfinder, and it gives nourishment.
It has been already been nerfed when compared to the earlier editions.
It was noticing that which prompted me to make this thread as other spells do and in some editions the food in mages mansion was specfically called out as illusory and no longer having any effect once you left. So I was wondering if Hero's feast did feed you or merely provided magical benefits but left you hungry once it was done.
If its not actual food/drink but more in line of a ritual with visual suppliments then eating and drinking a vast amount of stuff in an hour becomes a lot more viable as that whole chicken doesn't actually fill you up and the only issue is craming it down your gullet before the time is up. On the other hand if it serves as food that's a lot to eat and drink in a limited time and you have the issue of different species a slender hobbit er halfling um gnome yes a slender gnome is going to need a lot less food and drink than a heavily built half-orc.
The spell isn't about how much food and drink that you consume, it's about the time spent at the table. You could consume 18lbs of food and drink, but if something interrupts the spell at the 58th minute, then it doesn't provide the benefits.
As far as a mechanical benefit for starvation/thirst rules, there is no mention of it in the spell-- so this is entirely up to the GM to allow/disallow. Tbh personally, I'd treat it as a full day's nourishment though, provided that the spell isn't interrupted. If the spell gets interrupted, I'd treat it as if the meal never took place.
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It was noticing that which prompted me to make this thread as other spells do and in some editions the food in mages mansion was specfically called out as illusory and no longer having any effect once you left. So I was wondering if Hero's feast did feed you or merely provided magical benefits but left you hungry once it was done.
I don't recall the spell saying that in any of the versions of D&D and AD&D I have played (AD&D1, 2, 3, 3.5, and Pathfinder 1).
What it did say in some version is that if you take the foodstuff, furniture, silverware, etc., out of the Mansion, it would disappear.
It is not an illusion, it is a conjuration.
The effect of eating the food and drinking the water, i.e. being satiated as normal, persist even after the end of the spell.
Essentially, you can use it as a restaurant, not as a takeaway. ;-)
If its not actual food/drink but more in line of a ritual with visual suppliments then eating and drinking a vast amount of stuff in an hour becomes a lot more viable as that whole chicken doesn't actually fill you up and the only issue is craming it down your gullet before the time is up. On the other hand if it serves as food that's a lot to eat and drink in a limited time and you have the issue of different species a slender hobbit er halfling um gnome yes a slender gnome is going to need a lot less food and drink than a heavily built half-orc.
As Ryze Kuja said some seconds ago, the time you must spend eating is part of the ritual to get the full effect, if you leave the table before the time required, the only effect is that you have eaten a good meal.
Considering that 1 hour is the time from when you start to eat to when you leave the table, without waiting for the cook to prepare the food or for the waiter to serve it, there is plenty of time for a very fulfilling repast.
As a rule of thumb, if we need to go to that level of detail, I would require people to still drink during the day. Generally, it is way better to distribute your intake of liquids throughout the whole day, and not concentrate it to a single moment in the day.
But that simply means bringing a full waterskin with you.
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It was noticing that which prompted me to make this thread as other spells do and in some editions the food in mages mansion was specfically called out as illusory and no longer having any effect once you left. So I was wondering if Hero's feast did feed you or merely provided magical benefits but left you hungry once it was done.I don't recall the spell saying that in any of the versions of D&D and AD&D I have played (AD&D1, 2, 3, 3.5, and Pathfinder 1).
What it did say in some version is that if you take the foodstuff, furniture, silverware, etc., out of the Mansion, it would disappear.
It is not an illusion, it is a conjuration.
The effect of eating the food and drinking the water, i.e. being satiated as normal, persist even after the end of the spell.Essentially, you can use it as a restaurant, not as a takeaway. ;-)
If its not actual food/drink but more in line of a ritual with visual suppliments then eating and drinking a vast amount of stuff in an hour becomes a lot more viable as that whole chicken doesn't actually fill you up and the only issue is craming it down your gullet before the time is up. On the other hand if it serves as food that's a lot to eat and drink in a limited time and you have the issue of different species a slender hobbit er halfling um gnome yes a slender gnome is going to need a lot less food and drink than a heavily built half-orc.As Ryze Kuja said some seconds ago, the time you must spend eating is part of the ritual to get the full effect, if you leave the table before the time required, the only effect is that you have eaten a good meal.
Considering that 1 hour is the time from when you start to eat to when you leave the table, without waiting for the cook to prepare the food or for the waiter to serve it, there is plenty of time for a very fulfilling repast.
As a rule of thumb, if we need to go to that level of detail, I would require people to still drink during the day. Generally, it is way...
May have just been a DM ruling then I recall a 2nd ed game where the food dissapeared from your stomach so if you ate and left it was as if you had not eaten.
The spell isn't about how much food and drink that you consume, it's about the time spent at the table. You could consume 18lbs of food and drink, but if something interrupts the spell at the 58th minute, then it doesn't provide the benefits.
As far as a mechanical benefit for starvation/thirst rules, there is no mention of it in the spell-- so this is entirely up to the GM to allow/disallow. Tbh personally, I'd treat it as a full day's nourishment though, provided that the spell isn't interrupted. If the spell gets interrupted, I'd treat it as if the meal never took place.
So are you eating/drinking constantly for that full hour or is it like a resturant meal where a lot of time is spent chatting?
So are you eating/drinking constantly for that full hour or is it like a resturant meal where a lot of time is spent chatting?
Well considering there's no ability to take left overs, I imagine its just everyone stuffing their faces as fast as possible so the wonderful feast doesn't go to waste.
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So are you eating/drinking constantly for that full hour or is it like a resturant meal where a lot of time is spent chatting?Well considering there's no ability to take left overs, I imagine its just everyone stuffing their faces as fast as possible so the wonderful feast doesn't go to waste.
I think it is the choice of the person. You don't need to gorge yourself as if you were at an eating contest. On the other hand, an adventurer uses a lot of calories, so probably there will be more eating than chatting.
The magic should happen even if you only sip some water and eat a croissant, but that should refill your stomach as drinking some water and eating a croissant. The magic hasn't a special effect on filling your stomach regardless of how much you eat.
It was noticing that which prompted me to make this thread as other spells do and in some editions the food in mages mansion was specfically called out as illusory and no longer having any effect once you left. So I was wondering if Hero's feast did feed you or merely provided magical benefits but left you hungry once it was done.I don't recall the spell saying that in any of the versions of D&D and AD&D I have played (AD&D1, 2, 3, 3.5, and Pathfinder 1).
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The effect of eating the food and drinking the water, i.e. being satiated as normal, persist even after the end of the spell.
"Rest and relaxation within the place is normal, but the food is not. It seems excellent and quite filling as long as one is within the place. Once outside. however, its effects disappear immediately, and if those resting have not eaten real food within a reasonable time span, ravenous hunger strikes. Failure to eat normal food immediately results in the onset of fatigue or starvation penalties as decided by the DM." AD&D 2E PHB
The text for Heroes' Feast was mostly unchanged, though, so this thread's question applies to any and all versions of the spell.
So are you eating/drinking constantly for that full hour or is it like a resturant meal where a lot of time is spent chatting?
There is no time waiting for food, and it doesn't stop until the hour is done, so you can eat throughout the entire hour. You don't have to, though. I'd expect everyone to eat until they're sated, maybe with brief pauses between courses/dishes if they choose.
So are you eating/drinking constantly for that full hour or is it like a resturant meal where a lot of time is spent chatting?Well considering there's no ability to take left overs, I imagine its just everyone stuffing their faces as fast as possible so the wonderful feast doesn't go to waste.I think it is the choice of the person. You don't need to gorge yourself as if you were at an eating contest. On the other hand, an adventurer uses a lot of calories, so probably there will be more eating than chatting.
The magic should happen even if you only sip some water and eat a croissant, but that should refill your stomach as drinking some water and eating a croissant. The magic hasn't a special effect on filling your stomach regardless of how much you eat.
Yeah, was debating putting a /s on that one, apparently it was needed.