AP News from GENCON?

[The Painted Oryx]

Hi all

Wondering if anyone can summarize any tidbits of AP news from Gen COn? (or maybe someone already has somewhere?).

[vagrant-poet]

Check out the reddit, it has some panel write ups from the ever excellent Magic-Sword and Ezekiru.

[keftiu]

Outlaws of Alkenstar is being followed by Blood Lords, a Geb-set 6-volume AP with an intrigue focus somehow about protecting the nation from a threat. Undead and living PCs both allowed; it’s apparently not a great fit for Good folks.

[The Raven Black]

Likely because of the We keep living sentient slaves for snacks that is a basis of the society and nation you are trying to protect.

[Grankless]

Pobody's nerfect.

[keftiu]

The Raven Black wrote:

Likely because of the We keep living sentient slaves for snacks that is a basis of the society and nation you are trying to protect.

James seemed insistent that this isn’t an Evil AP, but if you’re defending a state that eats their chattel slaves… I’m not seeing it.

[Evan Tarlton]

keftiu wrote:

The Raven Black wrote:

Likely because of the We keep living sentient slaves for snacks that is a basis of the society and nation you are trying to protect.

James seemed insistent that this isn’t an Evil AP, but if you’re defending a state that eats their chattel slaves… I’m not seeing it.

I was thinking about this myself. The only way it fits is if you're defending Geb from an enemy that's even worse.

[keftiu]

Evan Tarlton wrote:

keftiu wrote:

The Raven Black wrote:

Likely because of the We keep living sentient slaves for snacks that is a basis of the society and nation you are trying to protect.

James seemed insistent that this isn’t an Evil AP, but if you’re defending a state that eats their chattel slaves… I’m not seeing it.

I was thinking about this myself. The only way it fits is if you're defending Geb from an enemy that's even worse.

If you’re capable of beating a worse enemy, you’re capable of throwing out the folks in charge, too :p

But James has already said this is not a “fix/change Geb” AP.

[Grankless]

It's probably "not an evil AP" in the sense you're not expected to be burning down orphanages like in Hell's Vengeance. You probably are encouraged to Agent 47 your foes though.

[The Raven Black]

keftiu wrote:

The Raven Black wrote:

Likely because of the We keep living sentient slaves for snacks that is a basis of the society and nation you are trying to protect.

James seemed insistent that this isn’t an Evil AP, but if you’re defending a state that eats their chattel slaves… I’m not seeing it.

Either you do not care (Evil) or you would love to but it would put your higher purpose in jeopardy (Neutral).

Good could be bidding your time to amass ressources so that you can eventually have some real chance of changing the system. After all, if you end up on speaking terms with Geb because you saved his country (chattel slaves included), you might convince him to find some other way.

[The Raven Black]

keftiu wrote:

Evan Tarlton wrote:

keftiu wrote:

The Raven Black wrote:

Likely because of the We keep living sentient slaves for snacks that is a basis of the society and nation you are trying to protect.

James seemed insistent that this isn’t an Evil AP, but if you’re defending a state that eats their chattel slaves… I’m not seeing it.

I was thinking about this myself. The only way it fits is if you're defending Geb from an enemy that's even worse.

If you’re capable of beating a worse enemy, you’re capable of throwing out the folks in charge, too :p

But James has already said this is not a “fix/change Geb” AP.

Even a lvl20 party would be unable to destroy Geb. Let alone throwing out all the people in charge of his nation.

[Rysky]

It's very likely there's nuance and not just "your characters have to follow Evil orders and do Evil stuff and there's nothing you can do about it"... maybe, but we don't know yet.

It could end up like War for the Crown.

It could end up like Hell's Vengeance.

It could end up like Agents of Edgewatch.

[The Raven Black]

I like to think they learned from Hell's Vengeance so that we can avoid icky Evil.

[Kasoh]

The Raven Black wrote:

I like to think they learned from Hell's Vengeance so that we can avoid icky Evil.

Looking forward to the AP where you can play as creatures that require the blood of the living to survive so we can have all sorts of new icky Evil. Gotta tread new ground after all.

I think most of it is going to depend a lot on how PC rules for undead shake out. That will answer a lot of questions. Otherwise, 'PCs trying to do their best while agents of an evil government' isn't all that unique of a plot.

[Ezekieru]

I think if there's ever gonna be "hope" for an deliberately evil campaign, it's either gonna be a Kickstarter or through Pathfinder Infinite. I don't think Paizo is ever gonna go straight-up Evil in a campaign ever again. However they're writing Blood Lords, they probably know there's got to be wiggle room for less Evil options.

[keftiu]

Ezekieru wrote:

I think if there's ever gonna be "hope" for an deliberately evil campaign, it's either gonna be a Kickstarter or through Pathfinder Infinite. I don't think Paizo is ever gonna go straight-up Evil in a campaign ever again. However they're writing Blood Lords, they probably know there's got to be wiggle room for less Evil options.

I think Blood Lords probably isn't for me; it's really hard for me to feel comfortable playing a game where characters are at all complicit in defending a place with maybe the gnarliest slavery in the setting.

Will probably still pick it up for the info inside, though. I bet there's gonna be some /killer/ backmatter articles, and I'm hoping for a sniff or two of some Southern Garund info.

[Rysky]

keftiu wrote:

Ezekieru wrote:

I think if there's ever gonna be "hope" for an deliberately evil campaign, it's either gonna be a Kickstarter or through Pathfinder Infinite. I don't think Paizo is ever gonna go straight-up Evil in a campaign ever again. However they're writing Blood Lords, they probably know there's got to be wiggle room for less Evil options.

I think Blood Lords probably isn't for me; it's really hard for me to feel comfortable playing a game where characters are at all complicit in defending a place with maybe the gnarliest slavery in the setting.

Will probably still pick it up for the info inside, though. I bet there's gonna be some /killer/ backmatter articles, and I'm hoping for a sniff or two of some Southern Garund info.

That was the only redeeming feature for Hell's Rebels for me, cool backmatter and Bestiaries.

[vagrant-poet]

keftiu wrote:

Ezekieru wrote:

I think if there's ever gonna be "hope" for an deliberately evil campaign, it's either gonna be a Kickstarter or through Pathfinder Infinite. I don't think Paizo is ever gonna go straight-up Evil in a campaign ever again. However they're writing Blood Lords, they probably know there's got to be wiggle room for less Evil options.

I think Blood Lords probably isn't for me; it's really hard for me to feel comfortable playing a game where characters are at all complicit in defending a place with maybe the gnarliest slavery in the setting.

Will probably still pick it up for the info inside, though. I bet there's gonna be some /killer/ backmatter articles, and I'm hoping for a sniff or two of some Southern Garund info.

Holomog Gazetter confirmed I think. Volume 2? I cannot for the live of me... provide evidence for that though... Can't remember where I saw it, but was very excited. Love Holomog.

[Grankless]

Book 3, I believe, titled Field of Maidens, so you know we're in for some cool stuff.

[keftiu]

There was talk about one of the volumes featuring some dinosaurs, which makes me very happy.

[The Raven Black]

Vampire T-rex FTW