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This seems backwards... It's asking me which SFS character I want to apply my "System Traveller: Ratfolk" Boon to.
Shouldn't it ask which PFS character I want to apply it to?
Or is the system just broken and I choose any of my SFS characters, cross out their name and #, and manually write in my PFS #?
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Can you quote the Boon text here?
I am not understanding the "of course" part.
Let me get over to the computer.
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Character chosen: -7______________________________
Kobold Admittance (Personal Boon): You may play a character of an uncommon species: a kobold (Starfinder Alien Character Cards), beginning at level 1 as normal. Other than access to this additional race, all character creation rules are the same as those outlined in the Guide to Organized Play: Starfinder Society. This Chronicle Sheet must be the first Chronicle Sheet for the given character, and you must bring a copy of the Starfinder Alien Character Cards to all sessions in which you play this character as if access to this race selection were granted by the Character Options page.
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This seems backwards... It's asking me which SFS character I want to apply my "System Traveller: Ratfolk" Boon to.
Shouldn't it ask which PFS character I want to apply it to?
Or is the system just broken and I choose any of my SFS characters, cross out their name and #, and manually write in my PFS #?
It is a little backwards; because of the way the system works, you have to choose an SFS character to spend SFS points on, but as Wei Ji shared above, you can "purchase" it for any SFS character and write in the PFS character that's going to benefit (or vice versa).
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Would it matter if that PC's first 6 Chronicles were Bounties he played?
Or not, because you can Rebuild a PC before it's played above 1st level?
Or since the Boon isn't dated, I just make that my "Chronicle #1"?
EDIT: Or since Bounties are played in Adventure Mode, then I never really "played" him after all?
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I think (I am not at my computer) we specified in the guide that you can apply "character with 0 xp" boons during rebuild/ FM blob.
The logic was that until the character is "built" xp granting chronicles are only assigned, not applied.
(Posting as personal because I am not feeling well and may be miss remembering. )
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I'm fairly certain Alex has given statements (which I can't recall if he was on the list of authoritative sources for rulings at the time, but I know he is now) that specifically said it was intended for unbuilt GM blobs to be able to slap on a newly released ancestry boon/etc.
I don't recall a statement of how its intended to interact with level 1 rebuilds. I was personally under the impression that they wouldn't work in the free level 1 case because you've already applied XP.
And I thought, it wouldn't work in ACP rebuilds because those specifically don't allow you to change ancestry.
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Changing Ancestry works with the free Rebuild, but the difference here is that the Boon specifically states you must have "0 xp", and that doesn't seem to be covered in the free Rebuild.
Pretty much everybody seems to think that it is covered and virtually nobody ever checks so I think it is both very safe AND very reasonable to just assume that it IS covered until we're explicitly told otherwise.
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I just did a search for "0xp" and "0 XP" and the only thing that came up was the boon that starts you off at level 2.
0 XP is too short a string for the search index.
None the less, if you had searched the SFS guide, instead of the PFS2 guide, you would have found the section on new character boons.
The 0 XP / New Character boon language doesn't appear in the PFS2 guide, because PFS2 race boons do not require "new character." The say "When building a character, you can check the box that precedes this boon to create the character using ... " and thus apply whenever you "build the character" and don't need additional clarification.
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SFS Guide
New Character Boons
Some boons must be applied to new characters. Such boons must be assigned to a particular character when received but may be held and applied later during character building or rebuilding.Such boons are applied in the following order:
1. Any boon that specifies it must be the first boon applied.
If you can apply multiple such boons, you can choose the order in which they are applied, provided that all such boons are applied before any other boons.2. Any boon that specifies it must be applied to a character with 0 XP.
If you can apply multiple such boons, you can choose the order in which they are applied, provided that all such boons are applied before the character gains any XP.3. Other boons are then applied as normal.
You may use the normal rebuild rules for level 1 characters with the rules above. However, remember that single-use boons (such as capstone boons or boons which grant access to playable races) will be lost if they are removed from a character they were previously applied
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I just did a search for "0xp" and "0 XP" and the only thing that came up was the boon that starts you off at level 2.0 XP is too short a string for the search index.
Update. Actually, the search index doesn't like you searching numbers at all. Since this is a built limitation of the search index, it isn't really something we can fix w/o throwing money at the problem. :( (Unless someone knows someone who will recode a search engine for free...)
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Still doesn't change the fact that it's kind of crippling to folks who've had a bunch of credit just sort of 'sitting there' and then suddenly inspiration followed by No Fun Police.
It really doesn't do a lot -- at the time it was to prevent abuse of... GM credit scenarios? I can't say as I've seen or heard of this mythical beast myself?
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Okay, I fixed this by making the following changes:
Character chosen: -7______________________________
Kitsune Admittance (Personal Boon): You may play a character of an uncommon species: a kitsune (Starfinder Alien Character Cards), beginning at level 1 as normal. Other than access to this additional race, all character creation rules are the same as those outlined in the Guide to Organized Play: Starfinder Society. This Chronicle Sheet must be the first Chronicle Sheet for the given character, and yYou must bring a copy of the Starfinder Alien Character Cards to all sessions in which you play this character as if access to this race selection were granted by the Character Options page.
Character chosen: -20______________________________
[ ] Android Ancestry (Limited-Use, Slotless): You can play an android, a synthetic humanoid from another world with a living soul. When building a character, you can check the box that precedes this boon to create the character using the android ancestry (Lost Omens Ancestry Guide 68), beginning at level 1 as normal. Other than access to this additional ancestry (and any common-rarity options with the android trait available in the campaign), all character creation rules are the same as those provided in the Organized Play Guide: Pathfinder (Second Edition) at http://www.organizedplayfoundation.org/paizo/guides. Include this Chronicle Sheet with your character’s records. You must bring a copy of Lost Omens Ancestry Guide to sessions in which you play the character.
Obviously I built these boons with an older version of the text.
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because that's where you start building a character?
Not me?
Level 1 is painful. Most of my characters are going to be starting higher level than 1st.
But there is definitely a head-scratching-level of hate for GM credit babies that I just don't understand.
Hyperbolic statements aside, why punish your GMs?
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because that's where you start building a character?Not me?
Level 1 is painful. Most of my characters are going to be starting higher level than 1st.
But there is definitely a head-scratching-level of hate for GM credit babies that I just don't understand.
Hyperbolic statements aside, why punish your GMs?
Okay, I think I'm not understanding where the disconnect is, because even if you GM baby up to lvl 3 or something, you are still BUILDING the character starting at level 1. Your blob has a certain number of scenarios attached to it, but it isn't built until you put everything together and then apply the credit in the order it was recieved. So even if it never plays a scenario at level one, you are still starting with zero xp and blah blah blah.
Or am I misunderstanding something? When we build characters that begin play at higher levels are we supposed to be using some other table like average wealth by level and other stuff like when I had to create a 9th level character to jump into a friend's Shattered Star game? Because if so that should really be made explicitly clear.
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because that's where you start building a character?Is the intent that this character starts with the same xp value in the same way as any other character, or that you can't apply it to a DM credit blob ?
The intent that this character starts with the same xp value in the same way as any other character.
The SFS guide makes it *very* clear that you can apply it to GM blobs and level one rebuilds. (It is not stated as explicitly in PFS guide, because before the system traveler boons, nothing had any reference to 0 XP.
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because that's where you start building a character?Not me?
Level 1 is painful. Most of my characters are going to be starting higher level than 1st.
But there is definitely a head-scratching-level of hate for GM credit babies that I just don't understand.
Hyperbolic statements aside, why punish your GMs?
In PFS1, PFS2, and SFS, when you have an unbuilt character with credits assigned, but not applied, you *always* build the character at level 1, then apply credits, leveling as you go.
What you don't do is apply all the credits to raise them to level 5, and then build them as a level 5 character.
That is all the boon is saying. There is no hate for GM credit characters, or punishment of GMs, or anything of the sort.
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Then that really needs to be clear, so we don't keep having these discussions. Give examples in the Guide so we don't need to intuit what you mean. I don't understand the reluctance to do so.
Get rid of the "0xp" and "1st level" language everywhere. Not just here and there. Easy enough to just define a term for a "character that hasn't been played above 1st level" (call it "GM Blob", "Credit Baby", or whatever fancy term the Guide Team thinks makes sense) and use that term ad nauseum.
Again, I acknowledge the better attempt at clearing this up in the SFS Guide, but I'm not building an SFS character.
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Okay, I think I'm not understanding where the disconnect is, because even if you GM baby up to lvl 3 or something, you are still BUILDING the character starting at level 1.
One is that technical distinctions like that can always be made and made either way. Also the last official word I'm aware of is that it caped out at 2xp .
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It is not confusing to me. I am wondering if the confusion is self inflicted. It is has been made clear, regardless of the wording, that the intent is for credit blobs to be able to receive such boons before it is played for the first time. This was not confusing to me for PF1, SFS, or PF2.
Other posters disagreeing with your opinion is usually a sign that they have a point, not that their ideas are so idiotic that they require your disparagement to discourage them from asking.
Unplayed DM credit babies still being new was specifically stated to be against the rules here.
New characters are level 1. Once they have enough applied credit to be level 2+, they are not "new", even if they haven't been played yet.
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In addition to that, Thurston ruled that SFS Capstone Boons couldn't be applied to GM Credit Babies, either.
Not sure if that has been repealed in the new Guide.
Heck just the other day someone asked in a Discord chat whether they could transfer their AcP Ancestry Boon to a different PC# and the consensus was "No".
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Nefreet is not alone in starting out his characters at Level 2. Most of my characters have a full level of GM credit before I think about what I want to build with them. It's confusing to me to have to remember to purchase the boon first, and THEN apply the credit.
It just seems like a complication that is not worth the trouble.
Hmm
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Then that really needs to be clear, so we don't keep having these discussions. Give examples in the Guide so we don't need to intuit what you mean. I don't understand the reluctance to do so.
The guide is already so long that too many people refuse to read it. Adding examples for every use case we have been asked for would double it's length.
As far as I am aware, 0 xp language isn't in use anywhere in PFSs (except apparently mistakenly in the system traveler boons, where it got dragged in by the SFS template.
We don't need a term for credit babies, because credit babies have no XP credit applied to them. The entire concept of credit babies (characters with credit applied that could still be rebuilt) is a PFS1 thing that was not carried over to PFS2
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Nefreet is not alone in starting out his characters at Level 2. Most of my characters have a full level of GM credit before I think about what I want to build with them. It's confusing to me to have to remember to purchase the boon first, and THEN apply the credit.
It just seems like a complication that is not worth the trouble.
Hmm
You can't *apply* XP credit until the character is fully built (I.E. Race, Class, Attributes and Skills have all been set.
You can *assign* the credit (i.e. report the game to paizo with character ID) before purchasing the boon.
So, for example, my hobgoblin:
Played 1 game Pregen. Reported Game (assigned credit)
GMed one game. Reported Game (assigned credit)
Bought boon.
Built charater.
Applied game 1
Applied game 2.
I am not sure how you can apply the credit *before* you have built the character.
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In addition to that, Thurston ruled that SFS Capstone Boons couldn't be applied to GM Credit Babies, either.
Not sure if that has been repealed in the new Guide.
Heck just the other day someone asked in a Discord chat whether they could transfer their AcP Ancestry Boon to a different PC# and the consensus was "No".
This is explicitly not allowed. It is a check box allowing you to build one character, once. Once it is checked, the boon is expended.
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It is not confusing to me. I am wondering if the confusion is self inflicted. It is has been made clear, regardless of the wording, that the intent is for credit blobs to be able to receive such boons before it is played for the first time. This was not confusing to me for PF1, SFS, or PF2.Other posters disagreeing with your opinion is usually a sign that they have a point, not that their ideas are so idiotic that they require your disparagement to discourage them from asking.
Unplayed DM credit babies still being new was specifically stated to be against the rules here.
New characters are level 1. Once they have enough applied credit to be level 2+, they are not "new", even if they haven't been played yet.
the linked discussion has been superseded by the clarification in the SFS guide.
Capstones and race boons can now be removed via rebuild, but are destroyed in the process.
(This is to prevent someone from playing 8 different level 1 characters with a single race boon / capstone.)
Again, as far as I am aware, there are no PFS boons that specify "New" "0 xp" or "level 1" (Aside from the afore mentioned System traveler boon which included it by mistake and which has been corrected.)
The only place "New or level 1 character" should show up should be assigning credit for higher level GM / pregen play.