Familiar Eidolon


Pathfinder Second Edition General Discussion

Liberty's Edge

Is there a way, any way/build, to have (or pretend to have) your familiar morph into your Eidolon ?

Like the strange cat that shapechanges into a big monster when danger occurs.


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Best way I can think of RAW would be to have a Summoner take Shrink Down (Feat 4) and then Miniaturize (Feat 6) to make their Eidolon able to become Tiny and pretend to be a familiar. Then when danger occurs it is a single action to return to their normal form.

If you really want to emphasize the size difference, then take Hulking Size (Feat 8) into Towering Size (Feat 12) so that your Tiny "Familiar" can suddenly become Large/Huge size in the face of danger.


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strictly speaking, I thing the above way may be the raw way to sort of achieve this.

However, if you take abilities that would otherwise give you both a familiar and an eidolon. As a GM, if that was your concept, I could imagine allowing you to have an Eidolon/Familiar.

Your Manifest Eidolon action would allow you to bring either your familiar or Eidolon form minion into being if it wasn't already active, manifesting somewhere adjacent to you. Otherwise, you'd also be able to change it from familiar to Eidolon or vice versa, but it would probably need to be adjacent to you.

As a familiar it would only act as a familiar (own HP, whatever abilities you chose in the morning, etc) and while an Eidolon, it only has Eidolon abilities (shared actions, HP, etc.)

But I believe, raw, I don't think you are allowed to have more than one type of minion per character.

I'd be less inclined to allow a Animal Companion/Eidolon mix as they really overlap purposes far more, and the swapping of having own HP/Shared HP and other combat info makes me feel allowing both might provide a potentially bad dynamic that might be exploitable. Familiars aren't really combatants, so it seems more viable option.


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Loreguard wrote:
But I believe, raw, I don't think you are allowed to have more than one type of minion per character.

An Eidolon is not a minion.


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Sanityfaerie wrote:
Loreguard wrote:
But I believe, raw, I don't think you are allowed to have more than one type of minion per character.
An Eidolon is not a minion.

Thinking about it, that is accurate. Now, I'm not sure I remember reading anything indicating you can't mix Eidolon and AC/Familiars. Am I forgetting something?

If that is the case, it would seem like a reasonable flavor. The game does tend to favor not paying attention to familiars All the time. There is a tattoo now that lets you store your familiar on yourself as a tattoo.


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Charon Onozuka wrote:

Best way I can think of RAW would be to have a Summoner take Shrink Down (Feat 4) and then Miniaturize (Feat 6) to make their Eidolon able to become Tiny and pretend to be a familiar. Then when danger occurs it is a single action to return to their normal form.

If you really want to emphasize the size difference, then take Hulking Size (Feat 8) into Towering Size (Feat 12) so that your Tiny "Familiar" can suddenly become Large/Huge size in the face of danger.

This is all good, except that Miniaturize is an 8th level evolution feat.

...Can someone ask Paizo to move it to another level, like 6...?

Liberty's Edge

Thank you all for your answers.

A homebrew feat of Meld familiar into Eidolon would be great with wording similar to Meld into Eidolon and requisite of being adjacent to you.

As Would a Meld familiar and Animal Companion feat I guess, where you choose, say as an action, to change the set of abilities your minion gets.

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