what do you want announced for 2022 at gencon this month?


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for me only a few things could get me really really excited anymore considering almost everything I want has been announced already

1 MYTHIC RULES MYTHIC RULES MYTHIC RULES!!! plz paizo pleeeasse!

2 an alchemy focused book. new items new subclasses exploring the lore ect

3 a book for commanding armies (unless that will be in kingmaker 2e)

4 lost omens the shackles. a book all about the shackles & piracy!

5 lost omens Linnorm Kings

a book on the lands of the Linnorm Kings

6 lost omens first world

a book on the first world

7 book of abandon

a book on abandon &daemons

what is everyone else hoping for (besides the playtest)


My pie-in-the-sky, almost certainly not happening hopes:

-An Arcadia book, whether the whole continent or a portion of it, but enough to support campaigns for native characters and detail on a couple countries.

-A look at Southern Garund, same as the above.

-The playtest classes being Inquisitor and Psychic.

-A Meta-Region book for any of the Impossible Kingdoms, Golden Road, or Broken Lands.

-Another big Ancestry book like the LOAG, with looks beyond the Inner Sea (new Ethnicities for known Ancestries, plus Wyrwoods, the cursed Ancestry from Vudra, and Tian options like Samsarans, plus ideally Lashunta)

My more realistic expectations, and I certainly wouldn’t mind:

-A Meta-Region book for the Eye of Dread, to give a setting for the Knights of Lastwall to fight the Book of the Dead’s undead. Gives the team a chance to show off more nuanced takes on Oprak and Belkzen, as well as dabble in Pathfinder’s long history of horror fantasy in Ustalav. Likely with an AP as well.

-The playtest classes being Inquisitor and a new class.

-A big book of Golarion factions in some detail, with plot hooks and themed character options.


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1. A SoM2 with more things about magic.
2. A Damage Dealer pure spellcaster focused class to make glass cannon widows happier!
3. An alchemy book (is alchemist classes and variation need to be more explored)
4. An oriental (Tian Xia) world book with classes, ancestries, items, spells and so on...
5. Numeria hightech book!
6. Starfinder 2! :P


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YuriP wrote:


4. An oriental (Tian Xia) world book with classes, ancestries, items, spells and so on...

I don’t expect them to ever use the word “oriental” again; it’s now considered outdated and offensive.

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5. Numeria hightech book!

This with some alien Ancestries would delight me.


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keftiu wrote:
YuriP wrote:


4. An oriental (Tian Xia) world book with classes, ancestries, items, spells and so on...
I don’t expect them to ever use the word “oriental” again; it’s now considered outdated and offensive.

I know I write oriental because not everyone know the Tian Xia context. They probably will call like "The Tian Xia" just like they done with Mwnagi Expanse.


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YuriP wrote:
keftiu wrote:
YuriP wrote:


4. An oriental (Tian Xia) world book with classes, ancestries, items, spells and so on...
I don’t expect them to ever use the word “oriental” again; it’s now considered outdated and offensive.
I know I write oriental because not everyone know the Tian Xia context. They probably will call like "The Tian Xia" just like they done with Mwnagi Expanse.

The word you’re looking for is “Asian.”


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No I really wanted to write "oriental" because of D&D Oriental Adventures. That's was first come in my mind.


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YuriP wrote:
No I really wanted to write "oriental" because of D&D Oriental Adventures. That's was first come in my mind.

That word is now widely considered racist. Why not use the word that... actually describes the region and cultures it's taking inspiration from?


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Mostly in the US. It's not as widely considered a pejorative outside it. It is still considered as describing East and South East Asia.

As Paizo is a US company I wouldn't expect them to use it again either, but the usage isn't wrong considering the areas that inspired Tian Xia.


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Etymologically, the term originally simply meant "Eastern".

As in Boreal, Oriental, Austral, Occidental.

However, because the term oriental as a descriptor for people and cultures in the East has spent a long time being used directly alongside a number of racist stereotypes for those people and cultures, it has adopted those meanings as well.


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I was very confused about this bombshell that "oriental" is a racist term as in the UK its just a word for east asia or people from that region.


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I just wanted to use a well know book name that more old school players may know to help they to get the idea. I wasn't thinking about being offensive to anyone I just make the thing to have more widier scope.

Sorry about use an racist word but in my natural language even after translated, "oriental" specially when I'm talking about this old RPG book is about a book that is a compedium of many cultural aspects addapted to gameplay of east like region englobing China, Korea, Japan, Mongolia and others countries from this region. Isn't like I was wanting to offend anyone was just a easier way to englobe theses different cultures aspect in one book because they share many geographic and cultural aspects. And asian wasn't used for the book and also doesn't looks like fine way to describe because can include Russian, Indian and middle east aspects.


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Davido1000 wrote:
I was very confused about this bombshell that "oriental" is a racist term as in the UK its just a word for east asia or people from that region.

About 20 to 30 years ago, we would still have used it to mean "inspired by Asian cultures", including specifically Indian and Middle Eastern cultures (at least when you are using the term in an academic/historical context), but even that usage has become offensive more recently.

As Keftiu says, best to just say "Asian inspired" if that's what you mean when dealing with Americans.


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Putting us back on topic... and based on other announcements.

1. Eye of Dread megaregion book. With a mix of new nation and vastly altered regions, would be a neat look at someplace that clearly will be the center if a major storyline to come. Especially due to the announced Knights of Lastwall book.

2. Broken Lands Megaregion book. The mega region I want most but feel like won't be the next one. Would make me so happy though.

3. Secrets of War. Book to introduce theoretical warlord and inquistor class, which is what my money is on the announced classes. More rules for champions and clerics and faith based things for all classes. Add in mass combat rules as well as should be around time of Kingmaker remake as well.

4. The next 6 part ap following Outlaws of Alkenstar. As I belive it was said by James Jacobs we will see an Ap that is the sequel to both an ap (or possibly multiple aps) and module so putting my theory here. Ap is a sequel to a.mix of Carrion Crown, Tyrants Grasp, and Carrion Hill. Pcs are knights of lastwall sent to Ustlav to secure help in reclaiming the graveyards. While there they discover a scheme by the lich Socorro. Having seen his previous master defeated twice now the Butcher of Carrion Hill is now making a move to make his own kingdom of the dead in Ustalav. However it also becomes clear that the butcher is also aware of both what and were the Tyrants Phylacerty is located. The pcs must stop this new threat, save and win the support of Ustalv and stop the agents of the tyrant who seek to destroy this upstart challenger to the tyrant and what he knows.


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I think you can still say "East Asian" if you intend to exclude Siberia, the Middle East, and the Indian subcontinent.


I want a rulebook in the a similar vein as Ultimate Campaign, with a little bit of Ultimate Intrigue. Something that focuses on supplementary systems and expanding on skills. We could have all sorts of Vaseline skill expansions, downtime rules, social rules, etc.

I loved that stuff in PF1 and now 2e is in a stronger spot to support it. It could also introduce a Tactician class.

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TheGentlemanDM wrote:

Etymologically, the term originally simply meant "Eastern".

As in Boreal, Oriental, Austral, Occidental.

However, because the term oriental as a descriptor for people and cultures in the East has spent a long time being used directly alongside a number of racist stereotypes for those people and cultures, it has adopted those meanings as well.

The racist use of this specific word AFAIK is US-only. And thus the taboo too.


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I can tell you that as a member of an Asian family, (I am not, but my family is Asian) they only find the word, "oriental", offensive because it is a word used as an outdated descriptor for objects and locations/places, not people. So, it is only offensive to them when used to describe a person. Otherwise, they couldn't care less about the word.

Anyway, I hope to see an Impossible Kingdoms metaregion book with material in that book providing insight into Nex, Alkenstar, Dongon Hold, the Mana Wastes, Geb, and serving as a light entry into material on Vudra via Jalmeray, giving us an early look at what we might see down the road from that region, too. Specifically, I think we could possibly get some ancestries there with Samsarans, Vishkanya, Vanara, Nagaji, Wayangs, and maybe others, too. I would like to see some more regional/cultural archetypes and backgrounds in such a book like we got in the Lost Omens World Guide, which is one thing I wish we had gotten a little bit more of in the Mwangi Expanse book.

We might also see another sort of Ancestry book, too. Though, I don't feel starved for one. I'll be happy as long as we can keep getting ancestries via other books like we did in Mwangi Expanse. Someday, they will need to eventually give us more high-level Ancestry feats for a lot of the ancestries they have already released, though.

Rules for large-scale combat, warfare, and other subsystems like those that were in the 1E Ultimate Combat, Ultimate Campaign, and Ultimate Intrigue would be very useful and I would rather have material like that sooner than later; certainly before we ever get any sort of Mythic rules. I don't want to see that kind of material until we get more essential stuff for lower level and grittier play out of the way first.

I do NOT want to see kingdom rules released in its own supplement. As a backer for Kingmaker, I would rather just have to buy the rules once. But, I could understand if it were only a small chapter in much larger book like the new version of Ultimate Campaign, whatever form that takes.

I want to see more material released for an updated version of Distant Worlds so I can run planetary romance campaigns with lashunta, ryphorians, vercites, and Eoxians and such, and a Tian Xia book for Asian games, or anything at all on Arcadia. I just really don't want to have to see too much more on the northern half of the Inner Sea for a while. We already have a lot of lore for locations up that way. (Although, I do admit to being pretty curious about the changes up in Thassilon, Sarkoris, Numeria, and the Broken Lands) But, we do probably still need some of the mechanics and rules for things from those regions.


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Starfinder 2e.

That's my dearest wish at this point, now that we're getting a Dragon Ancestry book written by Mark Seifter.


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WatersLethe wrote:

Starfinder 2e.

That's my dearest wish at this point, now that we're getting a Dragon Ancestry book written by Mark Seifter.

Considering we have a class playtest going on as we speak and the precog has not yet been released I'm putting down money for at least 2 more years before starfinder 2e. More likly 3. And that would be announced, with rules not being out till 4.


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Vorsk, Follower or Erastil wrote:
WatersLethe wrote:

Starfinder 2e.

That's my dearest wish at this point, now that we're getting a Dragon Ancestry book written by Mark Seifter.

Considering we have a class playtest going on as we speak and the precog has not yet been released I'm putting down money for at least 2 more years before starfinder 2e. More likly 3. And that would be announced, with rules not being out till 4.

I'd settle for a PF2 bolt-on!


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I don't know what it is I would want announced, but I do know the things I most want:
-A release date for Kingmaker's 2e conversion
-The psychic class
-The bloodrager (as a barbarian sub lass probably)
-The arcanist (as a wizard subclass probably)
-Something that will have buffs and improvements for the witch, by feats or otherwise


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AestheticDialectic wrote:

I don't know what it is I would want announced, but I do know the things I most want:

-A release date for Kingmaker's 2e conversion
-The psychic class
-The bloodrager (as a barbarian sub lass probably)
-The arcanist (as a wizard subclass probably)
-Something that will have buffs and improvements for the witch, by feats or otherwise

Arcanist is in SoM as a name for the Flexible Preparation archetype.


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keftiu wrote:
AestheticDialectic wrote:

I don't know what it is I would want announced, but I do know the things I most want:

-A release date for Kingmaker's 2e conversion
-The psychic class
-The bloodrager (as a barbarian sub lass probably)
-The arcanist (as a wizard subclass probably)
-Something that will have buffs and improvements for the witch, by feats or otherwise
Arcanist is in SoM as a name for the Flexible Preparation archetype.

To be more accurate, Arcanist is what Wizards with the Flexible Preparation Archetype are called.

Clerics are called Ecclesiasts.
Druids are referred to as Fey Callers.
And Witches are known as Invokers.
Magi cannot take the Feat, so they get no cool name.

It is an incredibly neat little bit of lore and world building I really hope continues where appropriate; such as non-gun using Gunslingers being called either Arbalist or Boltslingers. Not official, but it is something I'd like to see in G&G and other books moving forward.

Shame Wellspring Mage wasn't given the same treatment. But I suppose Wellspring Sorcerer is telling enough. But, I guess Flexible Wizard would be too.
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But, to get back on topic, my actual picks for announcements would be as followed:

"Tactical Warfare" - The Martial equivalent to Secrets of Magic, that introduces things such as fighting disciplines, mass combat, and variant rules that fit into melee builds; like maybe Piecemeal Armor. Tying into the playtest, I'd say that the Inquisitor and Warlord, a theoretical new class that functions as a martial buffer/debuffer (among other things), would fit well into it.

Given the announcement of Book of the Dead, Knights of Lastwall, and the Outlaws of Alkenstar AP; I can't imagine we will see too many other announcements. So I'll leave it there.


also want a geb/ nex Ap mainly for possible stats for geb himself


WatersLethe wrote:
Vorsk, Follower or Erastil wrote:
WatersLethe wrote:

Starfinder 2e.

That's my dearest wish at this point, now that we're getting a Dragon Ancestry book written by Mark Seifter.

Considering we have a class playtest going on as we speak and the precog has not yet been released I'm putting down money for at least 2 more years before starfinder 2e. More likly 3. And that would be announced, with rules not being out till 4.
I'd settle for a PF2 bolt-on!

Remember what they said for about Numerian Technology, at Guns & Gears?


Laclale♪ wrote:
WatersLethe wrote:
Vorsk, Follower or Erastil wrote:
WatersLethe wrote:

Starfinder 2e.

That's my dearest wish at this point, now that we're getting a Dragon Ancestry book written by Mark Seifter.

Considering we have a class playtest going on as we speak and the precog has not yet been released I'm putting down money for at least 2 more years before starfinder 2e. More likly 3. And that would be announced, with rules not being out till 4.
I'd settle for a PF2 bolt-on!
Remember what they said for about Numerian Technology, at Guns & Gears?

That there isn’t any in Guns & Gears?


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rougarou or other canine or some shoony options that are not as lame (the shoony have the least options of all ancestries and the least impactful in combat)
warlord like class
non caster shapeshifter
more alchemy
half dragon versatile heritage or draconic ancestry that isn't in a third party book.

chances of any of the above...unlikely


I’m really hoping for at least one really out-there announcement; something outside the Inner Sea, or in space, or high tech, in descending order of what’s most exciting for me personally.


idk. a book with a Drow Ancestry and something that supports what we already have. More feats for the core book classes, APG classes and whatever other classes we got. More feats supporting all the ancestries we have from all these books. More feats for general and skills. Just kind of building up what we have atm over new stuff all the time. Feels like it's getting very wide, but kind of shallow?

I'd love a Secrets of Magic book for martial classes like Tome of Battle or whatever.


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keftiu wrote:
I’m really hoping for at least one really out-there announcement; something outside the Inner Sea, or in space, or high tech, in descending order of what’s most exciting for me personally.

I'm right there with you. But, I doubt Paizo will give us anything technological, given G&G coming out so soon (...and possibly a tiny bit more steampunk goodness in that Alkenstar AP). But, you never can be sure...


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Dargath wrote:

idk. a book with a Drow Ancestry and something that supports what we already have. More feats for the core book classes, APG classes and whatever other classes we got. More feats supporting all the ancestries we have from all these books. More feats for general and skills. Just kind of building up what we have atm over new stuff all the time. Feels like it's getting very wide, but kind of shallow?

I'd love a Secrets of Magic book for martial classes like Tome of Battle or whatever.

I have been thinking about his more and more lately, as well. I agree that we are about due for something that starts delivering "more" of what we already have for some things besides a few feats in the AP line here and there. I think we need to see some more high-level Ancestry feats and some of the feats and other stuff for classes we have have been previously informed were cut from the books they premiered in.


I quite liked the balance between new toys for old Ancestries and brand new Ancestries in LOAG. I certainly wouldn’t mind a sequel.


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A new Ancestry book is probably my most wanted book within the next year or two. I don't think it'll be announced at Gen Con. But, rounding out all the options we have, especially those that are newer or unfortunately didn't get any limelight in AG (poor Shoony) would be nice. To say nothing of rounding out the some of the Ancestries from other major corners of the world, like Tian-Xia, Vudra, Kelesh.

I also have this desire to see Ancestral Archetypes, that use Ancestry Feats and can only be taken by a certain Ancestry (or Ancestries in some cases), as well as some Ancestral Backgrounds.


Dargath wrote:
idk. a book with a Drow Ancestry and something that supports what we already have.

I also want to see Drow, but I mostly want them to appear because I suspect they'd arrive in a book about the Darklands, and that would also be a book that would contain the Caligni. I wants me some Caligni.


Ancestral Archetypes can go the way of the dodo, IMO; too often they offered really cool options that should’ve been open to more than a single option, and I don’t really see any benefit to having such a narrow requirement. One user made a really good point about how there was an Archetype in 1e that only worked for Undines, and how they consistently had PCs of other aquatic Ancestries that couldn’t take it RAW - I don’t want that to come back.

The new tech from the Battlezoo project of spending Class Feats to beef up an Ancestry that’s more powerful than the standard, on the other hand, I think is very clever.


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Perhaps. Of course, if it ends up being to restrictive, than I'd rather it not. But given what we've seen, I think they can amanage to balance the idea out well enough. Wouldn't be too different from Class Archetypes. Most of what we've seen of those so far have applied to multiple Classes. But, they still have some degree of restrictions that make sense I think. Same principle. And you'd be giving up Ancestry Feats anyways. So, it should be restricted in that regard, as I picture most of them could capitalize on the innate abilities and nature's of the Ancestry. An Undine restricted option that plays on its strengths of being a decendant of Water Elementals is reasonable imo.

EDIT: For instance: there are a handful of Faction based Archetypes that exist already. Some, however, are almost exclusive to particular Ancestries. The Brightness Seekers, for example, are almost exclusively composed of Elves (maybe with a few Half-Elves). This should certainly be restricted to Elves, cause that make sense. But, why not utilize their Ancestry Feats in that case instead of Class or Skills Feats? It builds on who Elves are as a people.


keftiu wrote:
AestheticDialectic wrote:

I don't know what it is I would want announced, but I do know the things I most want:

-A release date for Kingmaker's 2e conversion
-The psychic class
-The bloodrager (as a barbarian sub lass probably)
-The arcanist (as a wizard subclass probably)
-Something that will have buffs and improvements for the witch, by feats or otherwise
Arcanist is in SoM as a name for the Flexible Preparation archetype.

Oh very nice, makes sense to me. I am still waiting for my book to arrive

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