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Regarding teamwork feats... Doesn't PF2 reward teamwork inherently more than PF1 already? I'd be worried that adding even more mechanical incentive to work as a finely tuned team might have some consequences.


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WatersLethe wrote:
Regarding teamwork feats... Doesn't PF2 reward teamwork inherently more than PF1 already? I'd be worried that adding even more mechanical incentive to work as a finely tuned team might have some consequences.

I think teamwork feats in a PF2 context would be really cool for mechanizing multi-person combo actions. Something like "1 action: declare a partner who also has this feat. when you or your partner succeeds at grabbing an enemy, spend a reaction to make an attack at +2 against that enemy". Or something along those lines, if not exactly that.

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Saedar wrote:
WatersLethe wrote:
Regarding teamwork feats... Doesn't PF2 reward teamwork inherently more than PF1 already? I'd be worried that adding even more mechanical incentive to work as a finely tuned team might have some consequences.
I think teamwork feats in a PF2 context would be really cool for mechanizing multi-person combo actions. Something like "1 action: declare a partner who also has this feat. when you or your partner succeeds at grabbing an enemy, spend a reaction to make an attack at +2 against that enemy". Or something along those lines, if not exactly that.

Sounds like the Noble from Star Wars Saga, was a really fun class.


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WatersLethe wrote:
Regarding teamwork feats... Doesn't PF2 reward teamwork inherently more than PF1 already? I'd be worried that adding even more mechanical incentive to work as a finely tuned team might have some consequences.

I'm assuming what you mean to when the GM rewards player teamwork and coordination? In which case, that's not the discussion here. 1e had a type of Feats called Teamwork Geats which, when taken by more than one PC, allowed for unique interactions and bonuses. The Cavalier and Inquisitor class capitalized on these by allowing the Cavalier to grabt another party member one or more of their Teamwork Feats, and the Inquisitor being able treat any party member as having it for the sake of their own use. The idea was interesting, but seemingly not well received. Likely because much of the fan base didn't like having to dedicate two PCs Feats to utilizing them, or be forced to play as either Class to make them work otherwise. That and, let's be frank, a lot of TTRPG players aren't really known for their coordination and cooperation outside of the occasional instance where it happens naturally.

I for one quite liked the idea, but do mostly agree that it wasn't utilized that well. I think 2e's Action Economy could really help it shine by adding more than just static statistic and skill bonuses like many of them did. There were some that did some neat things, like being able to use an adjacent as a conduit to deliver a touch spell or being able to both act during a surprise round. I think they could real be expanded on by adding special actions and attacks. Could also add build trees for Classess that utilize companions like and allow those players to utilize them with their Animal Companions, Eidolons, or Familiars. I hope they see a return in 2e. But, I'm not holding my breathe.


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Ly'ualdre wrote:
WatersLethe wrote:
Regarding teamwork feats... Doesn't PF2 reward teamwork inherently more than PF1 already? I'd be worried that adding even more mechanical incentive to work as a finely tuned team might have some consequences.
I'm assuming what you mean to when the GM rewards player teamwork and coordination? In which case, that's not the discussion here.

Here's what I mean, as succinctly as I can put it:

1. The majority (perhaps even vast majority) of mechanical optimization comes about during play due to tactical decision making.

2. One of the very important components of tactical decision making is working with your team (e.g. setting up flanks or debuffs that other players capitalize on), ergo a great deal of the mechanical optimization of the PF2 system lies in optimal teamwork

3. Teamwork Feats are designed to augment two or more characters who build toward a common goal; that being some mechanical, in-combat effect. In order for those feats to be worthwhile the result must be mechanically strong, or people won't want to invest.

4. Given the above, mechanically strong Teamwork Feats will enhance an already potent source of optimization, and may impact game balance, perhaps even encouraging a meta that requires investing in such feats.

That's all I was wondering.


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I would like to see teamwork feats that reward PCs for taking them by granting something like a new reaction or a free action or bonus to their next action of a certain type.

For example, to use the ending scene from the new Wheel of Time teaser trailer where Moiraine and Lan are fighting Trollocs:

When the party spellcaster casts a spell with the attack trait, the PC with this feat can make a melee Attack of Opportunity as a Reaction on the target of that attack spell. If the target of that spell is not adjacent to the PC, the PC can move up to half their movement to make the melee attack of opportunity.


Any thoughts on what the Lost Omens line might get, other than the good odds of an Eye of Dread book?


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Lost Omens: Impossible Kingdoms is still really high on my wishlist.


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keftiu wrote:
Any thoughts on what the Lost Omens line might get, other than the good odds of an Eye of Dread book?

I gonna double down on Impossible Kingdoms or something in that area (at least something related to the Impossible Kingdoms besides the Alkenstar AP & Guns & Gears).


So... given that it starts tomorrow, last chance to get your crazy predictions in. Anyone have anything to predict that everyoen else woudl think was unlikely but that you've got a hunch on? (no fault if you're wrong, bonus points if you're right)


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Pathfinder 2: Electric Boogaloo

Sticking to my initial predictions. Most of them were already shots I the dark.

For better or worse, I'll actually be able to Satch it live tomorrow too. So I'll be taking notes. Mostly for my own amusement.


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Lost Omens: allies and adversaries. A supplement of NPCs ready either drop in and be run by a player, or used by the GM as an opponent to the party. Bonus points if they also have SFRPG style templates for more generic summons.

Probably mostly using the NPC rules, but making effort to make them resemble PCs to the extent possible. My dream would be to basically get the Alien Archive 1 appendix rule sets for PF2, as I've missed both the Simple NPC rules (yes, simpler than what's in the GMG) and the generic summons.

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Arcadia book and AP.


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Well guessed kietfu!


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I'm excited for the Thaumaturgist, Psychic, and Dark Archive but holy hell the Blood Lords AP sounds very cool.


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AnimatedPaper wrote:
Well guessed kietfu!

“Spooky stuff book” with the clutch win! I’m stunned we actually got Psychic. Equally surprised about the AP being Geb and not the Knights of Lastwall.

Dark Archive

There a link for any of this?

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Keynote Address

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Cori Marie wrote:
Keynote Address

Thank you


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keftiu wrote:
AnimatedPaper wrote:
Well guessed kietfu!
“Spooky stuff book” with the clutch win! I’m stunned we actually got Psychic. Equally surprised about the AP being Geb and not the Knights of Lastwall.

Same. I was certain we would venture into the Gravelands. But Geb take me if I am not beyond excited for Blood Lords.


I think bloodlords will probably have stats for geb himself!

Dark Archive

What time in the video is the bloodlords stuff aand is there much said?


Kevin Mack wrote:
What time in the video is the bloodlords stuff aand is there much said?

Maybe halfway through, 25-28 minute mark.

AP set in Geb. Agents, Servants, or potential Blood Lords are the PCs, so undead PC friendly, but he also said you could play a human and I turned the video off about there because I lost all interest in Vampyre: Pathfinder Edition.

I ended up buying Hell's Vengeance though, so maybe a later panel will say something amazing about it.


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I believe the specific undead listed were ghouls and vampires, which means we can probably expect both playable in Book of the Dead - alongside the previously confirmed skeletons.

If the title really is just "Blood Lords," I'll think that's a little dull - but interestingly, it seems to suggest a story pretty firmly within Geb as a framework, rather than being the "Nex comes back" plotline a lot of us are anticipating. I'll be curious to see what shape this takes, because right now I'm worried it's going to be an evil, undead version of War for the Crown. If it's a Good campaign that significantly shakes up the nation of Geb? That's terribly exciting.

They also confirmed that Outlaws of Alkenstar will be hitting up the wider Mana Wastes, which means Nex and Jalmeray might be due for some love...


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Pathfinder has done a pretty good job of tying evil characters into the greater fold of everything, without making them particularly irredeemable. So even if it is strictly evil, which I'm honestly not expecting, I think it'll still be quite good.

My guess is it'll have a lot to do with the PCs, and some NPCs, rise to being Blood Lords within Geb's government. I'd wager most of the conflict will be political in nature, but may very well pit the party against the likes of rival Undead, Nex's Arclords, or even some of the Knights of Lastwall. That in itself doesn't have to translate to "evil PCs" since neither group particularly cares about the moral and ethical standing of citizens of Geb or general Undead respectively. Seems like a good place to put some moral decision making. I wouldn't be surprised to see Nex return by the end of it, or to see him or Geb stated, if for no other reason that to do so.

But, I'm very excited for it either way. As a nation whose entire government is openly dominated by Undead, it will certainly be interesting to see how Geb interacts with the wider world. Most of their dealings seems relatively cordial, aside from the living fooder trade. Geb actually supplies quite a bit of the Inner Seas food stuff, since Undead don't eat it.


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We might also get more of Arazni's ongoing plotline; her arc has been fascinating so far, and this seems to be a natural place for more of it.

And if I may grumble for a moment: it would be a really fun campaign to play an Inquisitor of hers in.


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keftiu wrote:

We might also get more of Arazni's ongoing plotline; her arc has been fascinating so far, and this seems to be a natural place for more of it.

And if I may grumble for a moment: it would be a really fun campaign to play an Inquisitor of hers in.

If they tease with more Arazni info, I'll probably buy it. I bought Hell's Vengeance for stats on Heart's Edge, so I'm a sucker.


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Kasoh wrote:
keftiu wrote:

We might also get more of Arazni's ongoing plotline; her arc has been fascinating so far, and this seems to be a natural place for more of it.

And if I may grumble for a moment: it would be a really fun campaign to play an Inquisitor of hers in.

If they tease with more Arazni info, I'll probably buy it. I bought Hell's Vengeance for stats on Heart's Edge, so I'm a sucker.

This is me with Arcadia - oh, is there a sidebar that hints at something on the continent? Purchased.


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It looks like I was wrong in my prediction about the classes that would be in the playtest, but was kind of on-target for how I thought they might proceed with "tradition books". I even expected the 2E version of the Psychic and Occultist to wind up in such a book; so that was neat. Too bad about being wrong on the Inquisitor front, which I was hoping for; but, it looks like the Thaumaturge might get some of the "monster slayer" flavor that the inquisitor had with this playtest class having recall knowledge abilities, which makes me happy.

It might be too much to hope for, but I am anxious to see if the Blood Lords AP might get the blood magic content that got cut from Secrets of Magic; if not there, maybe in the Book of the Dead or the Dark Archive.


I’m so curious what else is in Dark Archive - any Class Archetypes?


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I'm really hoping that the Blood Lords AP is not "you have to be evil and you're going to do evil stuff". I'd prefer to just play a normal person trying to make their way in Geb.

There's a world of difference between "evil characters are fine" and "evil characters are mandatory". Though the ending of our campaign was hilarious, being a deeply detestable person throughout Hell's Vengeance was a really unpleasant experience.


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PossibleCabbage wrote:

I'm really hoping that the Blood Lords AP is not "you have to be evil and you're going to do evil stuff". I'd prefer to just play a normal person trying to make their way in Geb.

There's a world of difference between "evil characters are fine" and "evil characters are mandatory". Though the ending of our campaign was hilarious, being a deeply detestable person throughout Hell's Vengeance was a really unpleasant experience.

I hope we can hear more soon, because anyone in any position of power in Geb is complicit in the most brutal sort of chattel slavery imaginable and I don’t want those PCs at my table.


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Blood Magic is more likely to be seen in a book covering/featuring Varisia and/or the Saga Lands. The in-setting Blood Magic is the realm of Bloatmages, who primarily hail from Varisia and the city of Kaer Maga. Actually has nothing to do with Undead, but rather using your own blood to empower your magic. Although, they could rework the lore to somehow tie it into Undead.

Also, this isn't to say anything about anyone that isn't keen on playing an evil campaign; but, there are those people who do find those kinds of role play opportunities to be entertaining. Not suggesting Blood Lords will or even should fall into that camp, only that I don't think Paizo should veer away from evil focused content and adventures for those that do want to play them. In a game that is heavily tied primarily to heroics, it's fine to have a little evil dashed in on occasion.

That said, I do hope that the overall theme to the AP isn't the "I want to feel evil" Skeletor meme. Seemingly having a focus on Gebs aristocracy and ruling government faction really makes me think it'll have more a political intrigue and warfare amongst those vying for power. I doubt it'll have anything to do with the PCs having a hand in any of the detestable things that such a nation of Undead would venture into. Really think it'll largely pit the PCs against a number of rival political parties. This is all guesswork, given the general context of the nation. Erik said we should find out more on Saturday I believe.


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There are something like 60 blood lords right? At least some of them have to hold lines like "only mindless undead should be thralls" right?


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For the most part, a largely majority of Geb's labor is done by mindless Undead. Not sure it makes it that much better, considering what Undead are. In fact, there is a large population of living people within the nation who are given just as much equality as the Undead in their society. That said, there is defiently a population of living thralls who are bred strictly as food for the nations Undead population; but, they don't go into details as to who or what comprises that population of living people, only that they have no rights within the nation. I'd always liked to imagine that most of them are the undesirables and enemies or the nation, not that that makes it much better really.

For its part, Geb is actually relatively "civilized" with its surrounding nations; aside from Nex of course. As civilized as Undead could be to the wider world anyways.


I think Paizo staff have gone on record as saying stuff meant for Evil parties tends not to sell well, but don’t quote me on that.

How do folks think our odds are on one more Lost Omens book being announced during that particular panel? I’m holding out hope for something really unexpected.


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If they do announce another LO book, with this AP, I do think it is highly possible it could be the Impossible Lands. That said, hopes aren't incredibly high for that. My only reason to think so is so they can really cover the nation of Geb before Blood Lords releases. But, Book of the Dead is meant to do that, so idk. It seems more likely to me that we might see something that ties into Dark Archieves and it's themes. But, I could be wrong.

After all, all my guesses were. Lol

EDIT: Actually, scratch that. Thinking about it, Impossible Lands would be fitting; what with the Mana Wastes tying into Guns & Gears and the Outlaws of Alkenstars AP, as well as Secrets of Magic being able to play well with Nex. The one oddity would be Jalmeray. Would be a good place to maybe explore some of southern Garund too.


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Worth noting that Jalmeray might be the place in the Inner Sea /most/ familiar with Psychics, which we’re now getting in 2e for sure. I still don’t think we’re getting an Impossible Lands book, but it’s looking more likely than it did yesterday.

Still personally hoping for something that can throw a bunch of oddball Ancestries at us, and of course always hoping for Arcadia.


belgrath9344 wrote:
I think bloodlords will probably have stats for geb himself!

I wouldn't bet on it. Geb has got to be a mythic-level, or equivalent, character, and I doubt they'd release his statblock without the rules in place to deal with him. If he does appear I suspect that he would be a series of hazards rather than a proper creature.


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Actually, the Psychic thing does make a lot of sense. Hadn't considered that.

I think out next major Ancestry coverage would probably come from a book exploring some of the other continents. I say this, because we have quite a few groups of Ancestries from other lands that need rounding out.


Ly'ualdre wrote:
I think out next major Ancestry coverage would probably come from a book exploring some of the other continents. I say this, because we have quite a few groups of Ancestries from other lands that need rounding out.

This is my big hope: something like LOAG, but for beyond the Inner Sea region, hitting places that aren't likely to get a book to themselves any time soon. Bring back the Tian Ancestries, toss in the few namedropped in that Vudra article, give us Wyrwoods and a handful of other Arcadian options, and give us a little meat on cultures for existing Ancestries in these places. A little goes a long way!

My hope would be that we'd sneak a couple aliens in, much in the same way that LOAG got is the fairly gonzo Android and Fleshwarp.


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Let's see, Tian-Xia's has the Samsarans, Wayangs, and Nagaji (and, my personal hope, to see Tanuki added as an Ancestry option).

Vudra has the Vishkanya and Vanara; not to mention some others we haven't seen as options yet, like the cursed Ratajin and rhino-like Kashrishi.

The Kelish Empire has so much land, I'm certain there are a bunch of Ancestries we could see from there.

Arcadia has Wyrwoods, the Syrinx, and a large Beastfolk population. I think they've also eluded plenty to some of the other people living there, that we could see a few brand new options.

Those would be my guesses for focus areas. This is to say nothing of the Heritages as well.


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Nex/Geb/Jalmeray seems on point for the books we've seen.

Though I'm really keen still on the idea of a Vudra book. Mwangi Expanse did a really nice job turning that region into a living, breathing place and I'd love to see that area get a similar treatment.


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I'm hoping that such a book touches on some of the other nations of Casmaron that are near Vudra and the Kelish Empire; or at least those we know more of, like Iobaria and Iblydos


Geb! It's Geb!

My dreams of an Undead Horde Eidolon might yet come true! Interesting expansions on the Harm Font cleric also look possible.

I'm not going to say that I called this one, but I sure did ask for it hard.


No secret Lost Omens announcement.

Dark Archive

Any further details for upcoming products revealed in todays seminars?


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keftiu wrote:
No secret Lost Omens announcement.

It looks like all Erik Mona mentioned was a special edition of the Absalom book. And Knights of Lastwall has already been announced. I would be very surprised if we get announcements of any new products not already mentioned in the keynote address. More details, definitely. More products -- definitely not, especially if Erik didn't mention that he was holding anything back for later in the convention.


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keftiu wrote:
No secret Lost Omens announcement.

It looks like all Erik Mona mentioned was a special edition of the Absalom book. And Knights of Lastwall has already been announced. I would be very surprised if we get announcements of any new products not already mentioned in the keynote address. More details, definitely. More products -- definitely not, especially if Erik didn't mention that he was holding anything back for later in the convention.

I would agree, but they did reveal other products. Mostly adventures. We found out the names of the next two Pathfinder One-Shots, the name of the next Standalone Adventure set to release between Night of the Gray Death and Dead God's Hand, and for SF, we found out the next SF One-Shot, the next Standalone Adventure happening during Drift Crisis, and Jason Tondro said he's gonna talk about the next AP that'll come out after Horizon of the Vast at tomorrow's AP panel. All of which weren't previously revealed or were mentioned by Erik during the keynote.


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What's the standalone adventure called?

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