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Since “You have to either Cast that Spell during the crafting process, or someone else must do so in your presence.”-CRB pg.565, can a magus/summoner with, for example, 5th and 6th level spell slots craft magic items that require 4th and lower level spells to create?
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Well, certainly if they can get someone to cast the required spells for them.
I expect it would also work to cast a heightened version of a required spell. That should satisfy the crafting requirements. For the playtest versions of these classes the bigger question was if they could activate a Staff with those low level spells on it.
And of course, we will have to wait until the full release of the classes in order to see what the final version of these classes is able to do.
I hadn't realised they'd been released.
I hadn't realised they'd been released.
They haven't yet. Releases August 25th. Just asking after watching a Paizo livestream.
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Aw man, I thought with only 50 people using this avatar I wouldn't see anyone using it...
Also the answer is yes. They can heighten the spell to a slot they have. Item creation only cares if the required spell is at least a certain level, not that it's an exact level.
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Item creation only cares if the required spell is at least a certain level, not that it's an exact level.
Is there a source on that? I'm not sure the rules actually specify if level is part of a spell and while that ruling passes the sniff test to me, I don't think that's exactly how crafting is worded.
Also, now that SoM is out, it looks to me that Magus' indeed can't use lower level spells on a staff, and barring rulings like the above, can't cast lower level spell scrolls/wands.
Relevant rules sources that I am seeing:
General Crafting
The item is your level or lower.
So sorry HumbleGamer, looks like you will have to wait until level 11 or 12 before crafting adamantine and mithril equipment yourselves.
You can Craft magic items, though some have other requirements
For wands specifically:
You have to either cast that spell during the process, or someone else must do so in your presence.
Each wand contains a specific level of the spell, but you can craft a wand with a heightened version of a spell.
No mention of spell level used in the crafting. I don't see anything preventing a character from crafting a wand of level 1 Burning Hands using a level 3 Burning Hands spell during its creation. You could also create a wand of level 3 Burning Hands with that level 3 Burning Hands spell slot, but the crafting would cost more gold.
For other magical items with a spell crafting requirement: example Herd Mask
Supply a casting of dimension door.
Again, no mention of spell level in the crafting requirements. So use the lowest level of spell that you have available that will get the job done.
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Also, now that SoM is out, it looks to me that Magus' indeed can't use lower level spells on a staff, and barring rulings like the above, can't cast lower level spell scrolls/wands.
Strict RAW, it can certainly be argued that way. The rules for Staves didn't change, since that is in the CRB and is already published. With it listing the requirements of 'able to cast spells of the appropriate level' that may require you to be able to cast from the staff exactly the spell levels of spells that you have spell slots for.
But that also falls fairly heavily into the territory of 'too bad to be true' ambiguous rules. "Appropriate level" isn't actually defined. It can also be argued that an appropriate level is being able to cast spells of 'at least' that level. And that makes staves functional for Magus, whereas the other ruling doesn't.