Way to be considered Fey (akin to Racial Heritage / Planar Heritage)?

[quibblemuch]

I'm really interested in the Sworn of the Eldest inquisitor archetype, but as written it requires being gathlain.

Does anyone know of a PF 1.0 mechanic that would allow a PC to count as fey for the purposes of taking this archetype? I'm thinking something like the way Racial Heritage allows human PCs to count as another humanoid race for mechanical purposes.

[Alphavoltario]

I think any race is allowed to be a Sworn of the Eldest.
If you need to count as Fey, 1 level of Progenitor Druid will do it.

[Alphavoltario]

Otherwise I would argue the point that technically the First World is a different plane, therefore Fey are First World Outsiders and you should be able to use Planar Heritage.

[quibblemuch]

The text of the archetype says: "Sworn of the Eldest are gathlains..."

However, I think the 1 level of Progenitor Druid would arguably count.

Can't use Planar Heritage though, because that is explicitly native outsiders, not fey (which are a different creature type).

Thank you for the druid link, that might just do!

[*Thelith]

I mean... The gathlain part is in the flavor text.. not the 'you must be' text.

By raw there is no race requirement.

[*Thelith]

Except it's not.

When something is actually required it specifically says so under prerequisites.

Flavor text is flavor text.

Aon wrote:
"
Paladin
Source PRPG Core Rulebook pg. 60
Through a select, worthy few shines the power of the divine. Called paladins, these noble souls dedicate their swords and lives to the battle against evil. Knights, crusaders, and law-bringers, paladins seek not just to spread divine justice but to embody the teachings of the virtuous deities they serve. In pursuit of their lofty goals, they adhere to ironclad laws of morality and discipline. As reward for their righteousness, these holy champions are blessed with boons to aid them in their quests: powers to banish evil, heal the innocent, and inspire the faithful. Although their convictions might lead them into conflict with the very souls they would save, paladins weather endless challenges of faith and dark temptations, risking their lives to do right and fighting to bring about a brighter future.

Role: Paladins serve as beacons for their allies within the chaos of battle. While deadly opponents of evil, they can also empower goodly souls to aid in their crusades. Their magic and martial skills also make them well suited to defending others and blessing the fallen with the strength to continue fighting.

Alignment: Lawful good.
"

Which of these is a requirement?

Lawful good.

Or are paladins required to risk their lives for a brighter future?

[*Thelith]

Deleted your post after I responded to it :/

[Diego Rossi]

Sworn of the Eldest wrote:

Sworn of the Eldest are gathlains who have pledged their loyalty to one of Eldest of the First World.

You are seriously arguing that the description of the archetype, with two clear limitations on who can enter it, is "flavor text"?

It has the same value as claiming that "Alignment: Lawful good" is flavor text, something that you recognize is wrong.
There is not an order in which the information would be shown, you should read what they say. And what the Sworn of the Eldest text says is very clear.

BTW, if you open the book and read the text above the Archetype description, it says:

Wilderness Origins pg. 11 wrote:

ARCHETYPE
This archetype is typically only taken by gathlains. With GM permission, other races can take it as well.

The archetype is part of the gathlains race description. Checking the source matters.

[quibblemuch]

Diego Rossi wrote:

BTW, if you open the book and read the text above the Archetype description, it says:

Wilderness Origins pg. 11 wrote:

ARCHETYPE
This archetype is typically only taken by gathlains. With GM permission, other races can take it as well.

The archetype is part of the gathlains race description. Checking the source matters.

D'oh! As GM I say this to my players ALL the time. Caught out... *face palm*

Thanks for the reference, Diego, that is very helpful.

[avr]

PFS rules are that a sworn of the Eldest can be of any race. Not a general rule but it may explain the belief that it works - because for some people it did.

[Diego Rossi]

avr wrote:

PFS rules are that a sworn of the Eldest can be of any race. Not a general rule but it may explain the belief that it works - because for some people it did.

Do you have a link to the PFS rules for the first edition? The more recent stuff I have is from 2012.

[Gray Warden]

Diego Rossi wrote:

avr wrote:

PFS rules are that a sworn of the Eldest can be of any race. Not a general rule but it may explain the belief that it works - because for some people it did.

Do you have a link to the PFS rules for the first edition? The more recent stuff I have is from 2012.

PFS information is reported by AoNPRD if you hover your mouse over the PFS symbol on the left of the title. Since it is circled in red, it means that PFS rules differ from the core rules, in this case: "The Sworn of the Eldest archetype is available to PCs of any race".

[Diego Rossi]

Thanks.

[*Thelith]

Diego Rossi wrote:

Sworn of the Eldest wrote:

Sworn of the Eldest are gathlains who have pledged their loyalty to one of Eldest of the First World.

You are seriously arguing that the description of the archetype, with two clear limitations on who can enter it, is "flavor text"?

It has the same value as claiming that "Alignment: Lawful good" is flavor text, something that you recognize is wrong.
There is not an order in which the information would be shown, you should read what they say. And what the Sworn of the Eldest text says is very clear.

BTW, if you open the book and read the text above the Archetype description, it says:

Wilderness Origins pg. 11 wrote:

ARCHETYPE
This archetype is typically only taken by gathlains. With GM permission, other races can take it as well.

The archetype is part of the gathlains race description. Checking the source matters.

Yes, I am arguing that.

Because flavor text =/= rules.
Rules are formatted in a specific fashion.

In fact your quote proves that you don't have to be gathlain. '... TYPICALLY...' which literally means it's not required.

[Diego Rossi]

Wilderness Origins pg. 11 wrote:

ARCHETYPE
This archetype is typically only taken by gathlains. With GM permission, other races can take it as well.

It says "only", too. It requires the GM permission to do otherwise. With GM permission you can do anything, even if it is against the rules, so in a rule argument, it is limited to gathlains.

[Nyerkh]

There's been precious few, if any, racial restrictions on archetypes past the ARG.

Anything after that is more along the line of "Most, maybe virtually all of said archetype are from race X. But not all of them."
PCs tend to break the mold anyway, so I wouldn't prevent anyone from becoming a Sworn to the Eldest just because they're not Gathlain. Unless the chosen Eldest has a tendency to look down on non-fey... Why not ?