Wind and Fire Wheel

[pfann]

I'm playing a monk with Monastic Weaponry feat which gives access to weapons with the monk trait, and gets trained status in all simple and martial monk weapons.

I think this means I would have access to a wind and fire wheel weapon but would be untrained since it is an advanced weapon. Would I then need to get the Weapon Proficiency general feat to get trained in the weapon? Is there then any way to get higher than trained status in the weapon?

[TiwazBlackhand]

Yes, you should get access since it's Uncommon and has the Monk trait.

I can't find a good way for you to get proficiency, let alone beyond trained.

You would have to take weapon proficiency twice, once to get "trained in all martial weapons" then to get trained in one advanced weapon.

Or take fighter dedication and pick up advanced weapon training at 12th.

If your GM will agree that it's a legal target for Unconventional Weaponry, your best bet would be taking Weapon Proficiency once and then UncWep because then it would count as a Martial Monk weapon and get your monastic weaponry proficiency progression.

[PossibleCabbage]

I suspect monks need as a patch a feat that lets them treat advanced monk weapons as martial, a la the fighter's "Advanced Weapon Training". Since restricting it to monk weapons would make it narrower than the fighter's version (appropriate since "good at weapons" is the fighter's thing), putting it at Feat 6 would seem right as a homebrew solution for a player who wanted to use an advanced monk weapon on a monk.

But multiclassing fighter and spending a 12th level feat on Advanced Weapon Training seems like the only way to make this work without GM cooperation. That costs three feats though, so is not especially appealing.

[pfann]

PossibleCabbage wrote:

But multiclassing fighter and spending a 12th level feat on Advanced Weapon Training seems like the only way to make this work without GM cooperation. That costs three feats though, so is not especially appealing.

As a human the multi-talented ancestry feat gets you a multi-class at level 9 so that's not as bad as burning a class feat on it. It seems odd that the monk, with monastic weaponry, can get scaled proficiency in all monk weapons except one. Seems they should have made it a martial weapon, not advanced.

Edit: disregard the last point. We've got two other advanced monk weapons now

[Guntermench]

Or you go at it the other way. Start Fighter, MC monk, get it trained at 4, expert at 6, Flurry at 10.

Doesn't help you specifically, but it works in general.

[Schreckstoff]

Butterfly Sword proficiency you can get from the dedication but yeah the monk trait of the Wind and Fire Wheel, and the Hook Sword look like a thing primarily for fighters that dedicatr into monks.