Did 2E kill the forums?


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Bouncing around and noting the lack of new 1E posts, I thought it must be because everyone was in the 2E forums... but instead those forums are practically empty.
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I count 15 threads with new posts during the last 4 hours, not including this one.

At the same time PF2's General Discussion had 6 such threads, Advice has 3, Rules gets to 2 and others have a few more.

Doesn't seem that bad to me.


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No.

I haven't even noticed too much of a difference overall.

Granted, I find that there are only like half a dozen regulars that I end up talking to around here... we all either think similarly enough to frequent the same threads, or argue well enough that we aren't afraid to engage in a friendly sparring debate with each other.

If anything, PF2 took all the nonbelievers out of the mix, and now I don't have to listen to the opinions of persons that would rather play a different game, anyways. I don't want to play PF2, nor do I want to hear the static created by petty comparisons between PF1 and PF2. I am glad they have their own corner to sit in, and I have mine... here in the PF1.

I actually kind of like the more personal atmosphere around here lately.


SheepishEidolon wrote:
I count 15 threads with new posts during the last 4 hours, not including this one.

Okay, that's weird... because I count 3.

SheepishEidolon wrote:


At the same time PF2's General Discussion had 6 such threads, Advice has 3, Rules gets to 2 and others have a few more.

Doesn't seem that bad to me.

When I clicked into those areas, they were empty.

Maybe there's a view setting then. My bad... :/


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The Paizo forums (the ones that include Product Discussion and Customer Service) tend to be busier that any of the game specific forums, as that is where individual products are discussed.


Skrayper wrote:
Maybe there's a view setting then.

Hrm, there are those "FOCUS" and "SHOW ∅" buttons at the top (just left from the Forum Search), both restrict threads displayed. If I have to guess, you used the first one.


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Lots of us still lurking around in the shadows, waiting for a thread to really spark our interest.


I suspect it's less that 2E killed it, and more that most questions have been answered and much advice given, so there's a bit less to talk about. Obviously there are no new Paizo 1e products and no 1e APs, so that's reduced it.


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A large chunk of the more optimisation-oriented and the RAW-is-sacred (or at least "my interpretation of RAW is sacred") posters went with 2E. I see a number of those names over on the PF2 forums.

Relatively few of the homebrewers did. A large number of those most interested in Golarion's lore seem to have evaporated; 2E doesn't seem to appeal to them as much on average and they and the homebrewers mostly aren't posting on the PF1 side either. I don't see either in the PF2 forums, and the Lost Omens campaign setting forums are pretty empty.

OTOH there are some new posters on the PF1 side, I'm not sure from where, and the odd name which has been here before intermittently like DeathlessOne or Dragonchess Player.


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I don't see nearly as many posts as I used too(2-4 years ago) on this site.


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Mudfoot wrote:
I suspect it's less that 2E killed it, and more that most questions have been answered and much advice given, so there's a bit less to talk about. Obviously there are no new Paizo 1e products and no 1e APs, so that's reduced it.

As someone who moved from 3.5 to Pathfinder only in the past few years, this statement seems very likely. All of it is pretty new to me, so I see posts all the time where I'm interested in the discussion and then see that the original post was from 2012 or some other way back time. But my question is already answered in the discussion so there is no need for me to pile on.

Another example...I'm going to run my players through Curse of the Crimson Throne once we wrap up Rappan Athuk, and I've been reading the AP material here. But I haven't posted anything because most questions are asked and already answered.


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Yeah, pretty much what the Highlord said. I'm still running two campaigns (Hells Rebels, Curse of the Crimson Throne Anniversary), participating in one (modded Ironfang Invasion), but I can get pretty much all my questions answered by searching the forums or looking up a guide, so no need to post much. Since there are no new products, there is nothing much to discuss either and I am completely uninterested in 2E stuff. Also, I got much less time than two years ago as well. I guess I'll pop back in when we get 3E "Back to 1E!" :p


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I did notice a slight decline in activity after 2E launched, but I don't think it "killed" the 1E forums. There are still plenty of people who post here.


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I think its more just the ongoing trend (over the past decade) away from a forum/messageboard discussion medium and more toward reddit, twitter, various discords and facebook. The amount of discussion I see on discord that would have been on these forums instead 10 years ago is enormous.

People are just more spread out and are talking in different places.


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avr wrote:
OTOH there are some new posters on the PF1 side, I'm not sure from where, and the odd name which has been here before intermittently like DeathlessOne or Dragonchess Player.

Oh, I've been intermittently lurking and posting in these parts since PF1 launched. It was the rebellion against D&D 4e that brought me here (though I hold no real animosity against that edition). Paizo stole my ... heart? Yes, that's it... when it kept the spirit of what 3.5E D&D was alive.

I too am still playing several PF1 campaigns. Giantslayer & Tyrant's Grasp currently. Our Strange Aeons game is on hold for now (nearing the end of book 3). Skulls and Shackles is on/off when we have an opportunity for an off game. I still want to pick back up with Hell's Vengeance and a real reboot of our Wrath of the Righteous game that stalled before the end of the first book is long overdue.

It also doesn't help that I am engaged in several other games, though with different groups. Got two AD&D 2e games and one 3.5E game with one group, and a PF2 game with another (Extinction Curse). And I run a PF1 custom campaign of my own on Monday nights. Got a slot open for a player if anyone is interested *wink*. We use a good number of houserules.

... Wow, I have a fairly heavy game schedule. Wouldn't be possible if my wife didn't work nights. Hahaha. Or didn't play with me in at least half of those games. *narrows eyes* And then there are the video games... err, well, I have a life. I promise. hahahaah


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DeathlessOne wrote:
err, well, I have a life. I promise. hahahaah

" 'Tis bold of you to assume you have a "life", mortal," the Swarm of Undead Sentient Squirrels echoes in unison, "you shall be cleansed of your impure weakness of flesh, and will be purified by the Flames of Undeath! MWAHAHA and other maniacal stuff and things."


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With the amount of time i spent last week in a RAW, i wouldn't say it's dead... Then again, Necromancy does have a way to suck your energy <.<

As a long time lurker i feels like it's less active, but far from dead. I'd say i feel like PF1 board has as much activity has the starfinder board when it launched, which isn't bad at all. I could be wrong though.


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UD Sentient Squirrel Swarm wrote:
" 'Tis bold of you to assume you have a "life", mortal," the Swarm of Undead Sentient Squirrels echoes in unison, "you shall be cleansed of your impure weakness of flesh, and will be purified by the Flames of Undeath! MWAHAHA and other maniacal stuff and things."

Bring it on, you decaying carpet of rodent droppings! Any day you want!

OOC: The rise of the Thread Necromancer's Guild has given me HOURS of enjoyment.


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DeathlessOne wrote:

Bring it on, you decaying carpet of rodent droppings! Any day you want!

"Foolish mortal," the Swarm gleefully cackles, "my machinations are already in motion and my minions have been set upon the earth like chess pieces, and while our glorious combat is inevitable, it is premature, but rest assured your death will serve a purpose in my grand design... We will feast upon your flesh and gnaw upon your bones until you are nothing but dust and ash!"


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I am glad that the 1e forums are still active.


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I lurk: I check in at least once a day but rarely post. I’m sure there are plenty like me.


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Same as SunKing. Check every day. There is also such a rich 1e thread history to search through to find answers...

I don't do social media, never have. So anything on reddit/others I stumble onto with browser searches for info on occasion, but cannot speak to how more active any of those mediums might be in comparison.


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The only other game forum I frequent is for Star Fleet Battles, and the traffic for that is barely 1% of what it used to be. Apparently most of it is now on Facebook of all foul places. Not that I will ever see it, as I refuse to go anywhere near FB.

So I suspect the same has happened here to some extent.


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yep... totally dead... nothing here to see... post #24

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I do wish that there were new products that I was actually interested in buying...other then that at least there are things to still talk about.


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I think the forums slowed down a lot, because lots of games slowed down with the birth of Corona. I know for my local area, into the adjacent states, PF1 is almot dead now, between corona and pf2. The only games i am aware of going on are private games as all 5 stores i would otherwise frequent are STILL not open for in person gaming.


Evilserran wrote:
I think the forums slowed down a lot, because lots of games slowed down with the birth of Corona.

For some of us, COVID had zero impact because we haven't played in person in years (in my case, not for decades). We've been virtual (with a variety of tools) since 2001. :-)


Yes, thats been the one nice thing, I now play 3.5 different RP games a week. One in person, one every other week, and another two over internet. Its great.


I think it's slowed a bit, particularly in the rules sections. I'm still very active in the Off-Topic section, though, and still check all the other PF1e forums just to see if there's anything I find interesting.

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I don't check here every day anymore, but I am here several times a week.

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Dragon78 wrote:
I do wish that there were new products that I was actually interested in buying...other then that at least there are things to still talk about.

Well, since you asked. The Book of Beasts: Slayer Codex is in the editing phase. It'll be available by the end of July. It is the 4th in the Character Codex Subscription and you can subscribe at DriveThruRPG or the Open Gaming Store.

I'm producing material slower throughout the pandemic and since I went back to school, but Pathfinder and Traveller are still very much priorities.

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I'm still here. 2E didn't kill my participation, work and life did.


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I post a new thread in Advice every time I make a new character. I've been playing for a few years now but I'm still relatively new overall so I like asking for feedback. And I love making characters in PF1 because of the huge variety of ways to make them. I have 2 Warpriests that are SUPER different from each other thanks to the feats and archetypes I gave them. I could probably make 3 very different Rangers without even using archetypes just from the fighting styles alone. It's a lot of fun trying to figure characters out.

(I'm getting the urge to make another one now. lol)


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I post a new thread in Advice every time I make a new character. I've been playing for a few years now but I'm still relatively new overall so I like asking for feedback. And I love making characters in PF1 because of the huge variety of ways to make them. I have 2 Warpriests that are SUPER different from each other thanks to the feats and archetypes I gave them. I could probably make 3 very different Rangers without even using archetypes just from the fighting styles alone. It's a lot of fun trying to figure characters out.

(I'm getting the urge to make another one now. lol)

Tell me about it. Since I get to be a player after 15 years in the Tuesday group again, when I finish Hell's Rebels in a year, I've been building an Unchained Monk for the last month and that really got me back into character building and looking up rules. Combine that with having played Pathfinder: Kingmaker for the second time in that same time frame and I spent weeks basically thinking a lot of my free time a lot about Pathfinder character builds.


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Kingmaker was the first AP I played, wish I got to finish it...maybe one day.

It is nice that the site is active enough to get questions answered in a timely manner.


I often read the forums from my phone, but do not post from there (no password manager). Which leads to my lurking more than I post (both here and over in PF2 - I play both).

For the same reason, it often takes me a while to check back on threads I have posted in (or even started). Speaking of which....

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Heather 540 wrote:

I post a new thread in Advice every time I make a new character. I've been playing for a few years now but I'm still relatively new overall so I like asking for feedback. And I love making characters in PF1 because of the huge variety of ways to make them. I have 2 Warpriests that are SUPER different from each other thanks to the feats and archetypes I gave them. I could probably make 3 very different Rangers without even using archetypes just from the fighting styles alone. It's a lot of fun trying to figure characters out.

(I'm getting the urge to make another one now. lol)

Everyone would freaking hate me even more if I posted every time I make a character... but at least people wouldn't be complaining that there isn't any activity around here. Lol.

Last night, alone, I made a Siege Gunner Gunslinger gestalt with Siege Mage Wizard for a full BAB, all good saves, 9th level casting siege engineer. A Trench Fighter gestalt with Sleuth-Steel Hound Investigator. A Halfling Warslinger Mutagen Warrior-Opportunist Fighter gestalt with Holomog Demolitionist Investigator. And a Gun Chemist Alchemist gestalt with Construct Sabotuer-Scout-Underground Chemist UnRogue for full advancement of Achemical Ordnance, Bombs, and Sneak Attack.


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The lack of new books and the natural life cycle of the game has really decreased the number of new people wanting to post in the forums for questions and advice. It's more weird how quiet the other games are, Starfinder and PF2 don't seem nearly as active as PF1 was a few years ago.


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HighLordNiteshade wrote:
Evilserran wrote:
I think the forums slowed down a lot, because lots of games slowed down with the birth of Corona.
For some of us, COVID had zero impact because we haven't played in person in years (in my case, not for decades). We've been virtual (with a variety of tools) since 2001. :-)

Agreed. There's a healthy lot of online play these days including PF1. I was recently invited to Play-by-Post Rise of the Runelords per PF1 rules, totally loving it... nearly done with Burnt Offerings!

And I'm still listening to Glass Cannon, still have not got through all of their PF1 content.

I'm so glad these PF1 forums are still humming along


Glass Cannon?


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Dragon78 wrote:
Glass Cannon?

The Glass Cannon Network is a podcasting/Twitch group that produces Pathfinder 1e, 2e, Starfinder, Delta Green, and other systems liveplay content.

It has a strong comedy vibe and overall, captures the feeling of playing at a table relatively well. If you're in the market for a Pathfinder Liveplay podcast, their Flagship product, "The Glass Cannon Podcast" is a 1st edition playthrough of the Giantslayer Adventure Path and has entered book 6, available for free using whatever podcast catcher you prefer.


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Kasoh wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
Glass Cannon?

The Glass Cannon Network is a podcasting/Twitch group that produces Pathfinder 1e, 2e, Starfinder, Delta Green, and other systems liveplay content.

It has a strong comedy vibe and overall, captures the feeling of playing at a table relatively well. If you're in the market for a Pathfinder Liveplay podcast, their Flagship product, "The Glass Cannon Podcast" is a 1st edition playthrough of the Giantslayer Adventure Path and has entered book 6, available for free using whatever podcast catcher you prefer.

Yeah, you nailed it. They take their time. There's over 200 episodes, each an hour+ long, of PF1 action. They took a pause during lockdown, but now are back in the studio back to Giantslayer.

Plus, their pause during lockdown was just a pause from Giantslayer. Over Zoom/Roll20 they played Feast at Ravenmoor and Midnight Mirror, all 1st edition PF. They do Dark Suns for Starfinder, and I don't know the PF2 they're doing but I know they're doing some PF2 on a different podcast too :)

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Dragon78 wrote:
Glass Cannon?

Link: The Glass Cannon Podcast.


I left the 1st-Edition subforum for the 2nd-Edition subforum back in October 2019 when I began running my first 2nd-Edition campaign. I still peek here about twice a month to read topics that relate to both editions.

I also hang around the subforums for the Adventure Paths that I run or have run. I am converting Ironfang Invasion to Pathfinder 2nd Edition rules, but most people run it under the Pathfinder 1st Edition rules that it was written for. Thus, I still participate in some 1st-Edition discussions there.


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I used to be a little more active on the Paizo forums before the advent of 2e (since I don't play 2e) but I still check the forums every so often, particularly to skim the 1e rules and homebrew sections to see if there's anything I'm not clear on or homebrew ideas I like, or, more likely to ask others what they think about a "wacky" idea I have for my own game. (I gave vampires the shapeshifter subtype, and I gave werewolves regeneration and a revival effect, so I've made some... uh... changes. I also took inspiration from the 2e vrykolakas entry to modify the 1e vrykolakas a bit.)

I think there's actually enough Pathfinder1e content published already to keep me busy for another decade, and I've started homebrewing a lot more now that the system is basically completed, but I'm still buying Paizo 1e content because there's no way I could keep up with the actual product publication schedule. (I use Paizo's annual Going, Going, Gone list and target the items with the lowest stock numbers first.) I've missed some stuff, but that's bound to happen.

Sometimes I read old threads and occasionally learn something new. (I only recently learned that an Immediate action on your turn counts as your Swift action, and an Immediate action outside of your turn counts as your Swift action use for your next turn.)

I like tweaking monsters and templating stuff and making changes, so I wouldn't mind seeing more information on back-converting Starfinder materials to Pathfinder1e as I have all the P1e Bestiaries so those Alien Archives are looking enticing.

Anyway, I'm around sometimes.


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TriOmegaZero wrote:
I'm still here. 2E didn't kill my participation, work and life did.

As the swashbuckler said. Life always finds a gets in the way.

Both my Pathfinder groups have been finding less time to play and one of the two groups alternates Pathfinder with other games (L5R and Shadowrun). The existence of 2E has little to do with the lessened activity. If anything, it keeps us playing PF1 campaigns as we know the Golarion setting is still actively written for.

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Agénor wrote:
Life always finds a gets in the way.

*Snorts a laugh*


It seems the last couple of weeks have been very dead on this site.


I wonder wich year was the most active time on this site.

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