are the region guides people of the north the first world ect still valid to use ?


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or should I wait for possible 2e equivalent? the lore contained within specificly not weapons magic items or any mechanics based stuff specifically?

because thiers soooi much stuff that could be used!


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Anything not directly contradicted/progressed by 2e books or progressed forward by Adventure Paths is generally considered still canon as far as I know. So you should be good to use any of your old PF1 material.


Lore only? Why not.

Yeah, items, pre-built NPCs, and other mechanical stuff will need to be rebuilt using PF2 rules.

But names of places, character concepts, story hooks, ... Sure.


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For the most part, lore and descriptions from PF1 have not been changed in PF2. The setting only advanced 10 years from the start of PF1 to the start of PF2.

So almost anything written in previous regional guides is still true.

However, some material that was produced earlier was was written in ways that were thoughtless or in ways that carried over real-world stereotypes and other harmful assumptions. Those parts of the setting have been re-written and continue to be updated.

For example, the new book about the Mwangi Expanse announced ( here ) builds on earlier descriptions while eliminating some racist tropes about African inhabitants.

As long as you don't use any of the mechanical or rules elements, the descriptive flavor sections will, in general, still be valid.


Some of those books are gonna be outdated because things have happened since they were published; anything talking about the Worldwound in PF1 is gonna be "wrong" because Wrath of the Righteous happened and the Worldwound has been closed.


The First World one isn't valid, but that has nothing to do with publishing issues. I always assume that the First World does massive retcons of itself on a regular basis. And generally, any adventure to the first world has the unstated goal of not being in the First World when that retcon happens.


There's nothing wrong with using old books. Paizo's setting has advanced 10 years into the future but there's no requirement to run Golarion exactly how Paizo prints it. If you like the lore on the Worldwound, use it for your home game. Just because Paizo wrote a path doesn't mean you can't run your own adventure there.

But in terms of modern Golarion, everything lorewise is canon unless otherwise mentioned. It may be worth grabbing the Lost Omens World Guide to see how the leadership of the major countries without new books changed (the orcs of Belkzen have a new "leader", Magnimar has a new lord-mayor, and so on).


In terms of the edition change, the only things that were canonized in the metaplot are "things that happened on screen in an AP or a PFS season" and a couple of things that got the offscreen treatment that they just felt like changing (like how Sargava is now Vidrian and decolonized.) That latter category is probably "Things they had meant to do 'on screen' but never got around to."

But most of the big changes are political (a couple are geographical- Lastwall and the Worldwound, notably), so all the things about the people, their culture, etc. are still true until another book comes out and contradicts them. But they generally aren't going to say "this published thing is strictly untrue" (unless it's something that's effectively a "lore mistake" that bothers Mr. Jacobs & co.) and are more likely to simply make things more nuanced. So instead of "all goblins fear books and are illiterate" you can point out that while this might be a majority opinion, these other goblins over here don't mind the written word at all (since boss so-and-so read a book once and was fine.)


Some of the old material is reeeaaal racist, especially once you get out of Avistan.

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keftiu wrote:
Some of the old material is reeeaaal racist, especially once you get out of Avistan.

We've been producing content for Golarion for nearly 20 years, and have learned a lot along the way. But when someone feels the need to point out things like this, PLEASE don't just do so vaguely. No need to go into details, but we can't fix errors that we or our authors made if we don't realize they're errors... or in an increasing number of cases, we've admitted the errors and have taken steps to correct things in print.

Simply saying it's "reeeeaaal racist" makes it look like nothing's changed, and makes me paranoid that something we need to fix or address... or even worse, something that an author or developer did and might still be doing... is not constructive and doesn't help us do better.

Even just private messaging me with a concern works. I try to make sure we learn from our mistakes, but part of making mistakes is knowing when you make them, who made them, and when, so we can fix it going forward.

And in cases where we HAVE taken steps to correct the errors of the past, it's nice to know those corrections have been noted.

We're constantly trying to do better, but we can't do better without detailed feedback. Vague accusations like the above just depress and frustrate me, because I can't act on the accusation to try to make it better. All I can do is assume everything is potentaily problematic, and that way lies toward the path of giving up on the industry. Which might be best in the long run to make room for better writers and better content creators in the future.


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Which might be best in the long run to make room for better writers and better content creators in the future.

Noooo! Take it back. I’ve switched back to Pathfinder 2e because it is better.

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