Can you cast Talismanic Implement, choosing the spell contingent action to be cast? (Assuming you have access to both spells)
For example:
Drawing a weapon causes talismanic implement to trigger, casting contingent action.
Contingent action triggered by an attack with that weapon.
Is this prevented by "You can use only one contingency spell at a time; if a second is cast, the first one (if still active) is dispelled" or does it work because contingent action doesnt come into effect until the first contingency effect ends?
(I was originally going to ask this about contingency activating contingent action, but that was pointless curiousity, then i realised talismanic implement may actually be able to benefit from doing this, so I remade the post here)
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Same thing as the thread you just deleted.
As you aren't casting Contingent action when it is triggered by the contingency effect, you have to set the conditions of both spells when you cast Talismanic Implement.
By doing that you are triggering a contingency effect triggering a contingency and setting the activation conditions of both. Even if every single trigger is simple, you are intertwining them like a pretzel. It is exactly what make Contingency malfunction:
"If complicated or convoluted conditions are prescribed, the whole spell combination (contingency and the companion magic) may fail when triggered."
I was thinking its less like a pretzel and more like a box with a box in it.
I dont think its too complicated to follow, especially with basic triggering conditions; and the text you quoted is clearly about the complexity of the triggers not the complexity of the actual spell you are casting.
Also what kind of probability of failure does it have if it "may fail when triggered"?
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I was thinking its less like a pretzel and more like a box with a box in it.
I dont think its too complicated to follow, especially with basic triggering conditions; and the text you quoted is clearly about the complexity of the triggers not the complexity of the actual spell you are casting.
I had made a more complex argument on the other thread, but I was not willing to spend the time to repeat it, so I summarised it.
The problem is you have a contingency effect that cast the Contingent action spell, not you.
So either you set both conditions when the contingency effect is cast, and end with 2 contingency in effect and nested contingencies, that is against the text of Contingency, or you have Contingency set the conditions for Contingent action, so not a box in a box, but a complex set of orders in the contingency effect.
Also what kind of probability of failure does it have if it "may fail when triggered"?
GM evaluation. I would have it fail for the first reason, 2 contingencies, without considering the complexity. But if the GM allows it you to would need to write the text of the Contingency/Talisman Implement contingency, defining the trigger of the Contingent action within the single trigger, so 2 triggers in a single phrase. Maybe you can write a very precise text, but it will be more limited than a normal contingency or it will trigger at inconvenient moments or occasionally fail to trigger. Normal language isn't that precise.
The problem is you have a contingency effect that cast the Contingent action spell, not you.
I disagree completely and think you're overthinking and overcomplicating it. The contingency spell clearly states that you are the one placing the contingent spell on your person. In any case I really should get better at searching the forums properly before I ask questions that have been asked and answered before, by repeating an already answered question all ive ended up doing is inviting muddier waters.
Sorry to anyone finding this thread at a later date.
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The problem is you have a contingency effect that cast the Contingent action spell, not you.I disagree completely and think you're overthinking and overcomplicating it. The contingency spell clearly states that you are the one placing the contingent spell on your person. In any case I really should get better at searching the forums properly before I ask questions that have been asked and answered before, by repeating an already answered question all ive ended up doing is inviting muddier waters.
Sorry to anyone finding this thread at a later date.
Yes, you place the contingent spell, but you need to define what it does when you place the contingency.
You can't place a contingency of "When I am under 1/3 of my maximum hit points activate Dimension door" and decide where the Dimension Door will transport you when it is activated. You need a more complex line of commands: "When I am under 1/3 of my maximum hit points activate Dimension door and teleport me to my laboratory, if in range".You can place another spell upon your person so that it comes into effect under some condition you dictate when casting contingency.
The spell comes into effect, it is not cast, so all the parameters should be set when you cast Contingency.