
Wei Ji the Learner |

Or, to put it in a slightly more modern perspective, the Devil discovered the 'glass ceiling' in Heaven and went "It doesn't matter WHAT I do, I'm NEVER going to advance PAST where I'm at right now. And it's not just me, but EVERYONE ELSE HERE! And we're supposed to love it and live it!"
I don't know about other people, but I could totally have Sympathy for the Devil in that regard, especially if his 'punishment' is because he refused to Conform to Standards.
In regards the other part of this -- I've seen far more moral Satanists than post-Christians.
Kind of like you said, it makes the head spin and doesn't make sense until you look at it in context.

thejeff |
I mean, yeah. Can't disagree with any of that. And it's certainly a valid way to go with creatures in your setting, if that's where you want to go with it. But I don't think it's necessary.
I do think there's a valid distinction between Satanism and Satan - or more broadly between the folk beliefs about a thing and the thing itself, even when those folk beliefs help shape the thing. Satanists themselves are shaped by the largely Christian culture around them and share many of its prejudices, even more than their ideas of Satan do. Those are likely shaped more by historical notions of Satan as Jessica suggests. That's not a foundation for a completely separate religion - though if it prospered, with time it could become one, in the same way Christianity separated itself from Judaism. We're talking generations here at least.
That's sort of an aside though. Even using Satanists as a parallel, although they're tied to Christianity and the concept was used to enforce social norms, that doesn't mean they (or a hypothetical real Satan or fairies) would also uphold those norms. It's complicated with Satan, since his role in Christianity is to punish sinners as well as to encourage sin. But even then, Satan himself and even more so Satanists, don't necessarily hold to social norms. Satanists might have lousy orgies, but they're not strictly enforcing Christian taboos on sex.
If the fae exist in folk belief as examples of deviation from those norms, then the actual fae creatures could well encourage such behavior, rather than strictly uphold the urban norms. That's why they're evil and dangerous in the eyes of cultural tradition. They're strange and wild, tempting the weak and leading them astray.

thejeff |
It's not necessary, no. It's also my setting and my story. :P
Of course.
My initial read was that you wanted them to be more benevolent in this regard, but thought that they should reflect the bigotries more directly. Since that seems to have been wrong, I'll stop belaboring the point. :)

Kobold Catgirl |
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shut up I'm not crying these are MAN TEARS
which is weird, all things considered

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shut up I'm not crying these are MAN TEARS
which is weird, all things considered
kalindlara. I have not heard that name in some time. Nor have I gone to that website in now many years.
The feels.

Kobold Catgirl |
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*deep breath*
aaaah
The only thing I dislike more than CinemaSins' and Doug Walker's "I am going to put everything in this work under a hyperliteral genreblind lens that assumes all media should aspire to be as close to Avengers: Endgame as possible in tone and framing" attitude
is the left-wing "I am going to put everything in this work under a hyperliteral genreblind lens that assumes all media should aspire to be as unsubtle and direct and self-explanatory as a children's book series" attitude.
I genuinely don't know how to explain to someone that it's okay to write aboleths as pure evil cosmic horror abominations because it's fantasy and sometimes the monster isn't meant to be taken completely literally as if it could be a real-world creature.
This guy must have been so confused by The Babadook's ending.

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I don't know who any of these people are.
Yeah, I just watch movies. People who 'analyze' (translation: b&!## about, and drag their own tiny myopic lens through which to view it, and their favorite axes to grind along for the 'analysis') them bore me. It's like those twitch streams of people playing video games. Why would I watch that? I either want to play the game, in which case, I would do so, or I don't want to play the game, in which case, I don't want to watch somebody else play it! Same with movies. I'll watch it and decide for myself what I like and don't like about it. And then maybe I'll watch How It Should Have Ended or Honest Trailers skewer it and laugh, but still like or dislike the movie as much as I did anyway, because my opinion of what I like is always more important to me than what some yob on the internet thinks ('cause I'm an egomaniac that way). :)

captain yesterday |

I watch Cinema Sins for bad movies, Alex Mayers for Teen shows and movies, and Captain Midnight for an occasional TV critique.
But otherwise I generally stick to Pitch Meeting and Honest Trailers.

Kobold Catgirl |
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I think critique is valuable and fun and good, when it's done productively and in good faith. I like reading Roger Ebert's reviews, I like Breadsword (even though I rarely agree with them) and Captain Midnight and Lindsay Ellis and a whole host of creators. I like learning things, and good criticism just teaches you to see the movie or show through a different perspective for a little while. It's healthy.
CinemaSins teaches you to see all movies through a lens of plothole-hunting and nitpicking and thinly-veiled misogyny. I'm really not a fan.

Kobold Catgirl |

Not even that! Like, bear in mind, not all types of genres care about nitpicking and plotholes and hyperliteralism the same way. A heist is going to value continuity of supplies and tools very differently from a comedy or a romcom. Magical realism and hard fantasy each handle the nitty-gritty of "magical rulesets" very differently. Lord of the Rings doesn't worry about defining the limits of wizardly ability by any firm mechanics, while the Dragonlance series kind of does. Trying to clarify everything and close every plothole can actually undermine certain genres.
But CinemaSins doesn't understand this, or else doesn't care. It leads to really frustratingly banal criticism that isn't real criticism at all--it's just joyless. "Wait, why did all the servants in Beauty and the Beast turn into furniture?" That's not important. It's a fairy tale. It's a dream. Engage with the movie on its terms or stop pretending you even really watched it.
It's so frustrating to see people conflating pointless nitpicking with media criticism as if any decent critic would touch that kind of behavior with a ten-foot pole.
oh wait I get it, good one

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Good news! I probably have a mild case of COVID, so now whenever I make bad takes about alignment it's because I'm clearly delirious and everyone has to feel sorry for me. :)
Always a plus! Hope you feel better soon.
*hugs*

Kobold Catgirl |

Well, I can't write around it any longer. I have to do... *grimace* ... authorial research.
This video was pretty fun. I just really needed a more visual idea of it than the articles. Not that this article isn't a scary fun read and basically the reason I decided to take the directions I'm taking with this book.

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Time to go to sleep. My thoughts:
Feeling a bit better
Feeling a lot gay
Feeling very excited about the novel. The working title is The Charcoal Crown. I've been really enjoying writing it so far. The protagonist, Fret (a nickname for Forgetmenot, the name given her by those who adopted her) has just had her first in-book interaction with her future love interest, Sweetbrier. Briar is just kind of awful right now--a Mean Girl who poses as the rich girl from the next town over but who's actually a wandering thief runaway who puts on airs. Of course, in time Briar will become an unwanted confidante for Fret when they both get whisked away to the capital and suddenly Sweetbrier is the only person Fret feels she can trust.
Which is a mistake, because though she doesn't know it, Briar is involved in a plot against her. Briar, however, gradually begins to form second thoughts.

Kobold Catgirl |

"beware what they taught you, girl" she struggles between using her "taught magic" from her aunt and uncle, which she's told is foul, and the faeriework, which she's told is the magic of royals
she notices someone sneaking about, sneaking to the Witchpile, and follows but is caught by briar. the sneak is the ex-agent of Scratch, meddling with the Witchpile on Broken Swords's behalf using the Princess's Necklace to try to fulfill an old (completely bs) prophecy. Briar is there assisting? Or she's brought in on the plot after, more likely, after Fret is "found to be" the Princess and Briar becomes a useful tool for getting Fret back to the Witchpile unguarded/spying on her.
"Fret, I--I didn't mean for any of--"
"Fine, I believe you. but help me now!" Fret's voice broke. "Briar, please!"
Briar stared at her with wide, cornered-animal eyes. Twelve rapid heartbeats passed in silence between them.
She took another step away from Fret.
sorry turned off the lights and suddenly got ideas and had to write them down because I will not remember this otherwise

Kobold Catgirl |
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No symptoms today! Unfortunately, we can't get a test anywhere.
I'm working a lot on the novel. Finished the Act One outline and wrote more of the novel itself. Really enjoying this.
Oh, and--finally updated my PbPs again! That's... huge, for me. I really really want to get back rolling on these. I always give myself too much work.

GM_Beernorg |

Good news! I probably have a mild case of COVID, so now whenever I make bad takes about alignment it's because I'm clearly delirious and everyone has to feel sorry for me. :)
I am so using this to get out of any and all responsibilities for all things, Brilliant KC!
"Nope, can't judge me...COVID...BOOM!"
On a more serious and less crazed note, glad you are feeling better KC.

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No symptoms today! Unfortunately, we can't get a test anywhere.
I have heard that Wal-Mart is one of the more reliable places to find test-kits (if there's one in your area...), as they use their ginormous buying power to keep stocked up when even the larger pharmacies like CVS, Rite Aid and Walgreens are scrambling for stock.

Kobold Catgirl |

Just finished watching Helluva Boss. Dang. Daaang.
This song is helping me understand the less-awful side of Sweetbrier, which is a very useful thing to understand about the girl my protagonist is supposed to fall for.