I'll check it out tonight.
I too want to see how this compares to other attempts to 'reboot' He-man.
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I think Kevin Smith is behind it and Mark Hamill is doing Skeletor's voice. That's enough to get me to check it out.
Indeed they are correct, Marc.
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I enjoyed it. For one it is clearly setting up for that Teela/Sorceress story we had been waiting for for ages.... for another it's a pretty neat story overall.
As far as the online complaints go....There is no way the toy company would let them replace He-man with anyone, he's the title character of the toy line. By the end of this he's going to be fine, in the mean time it's been a pretty fun ride so far.
plus that Cliffhanger was nuts.
All I know is Season 2 better not take very long...
I'm enjoying it so far.
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Kevin Smith lied about making Teela the main character, "He-Man is a BOYS show, and this is all about girls", the nature of the relationship between Teela and Andra was a bit... baitey, the flip-flop of Teela and Evil-Lynn working together was jarring, and many of the voice actors, while amazing performers, didn't seem to suit their characters
No he absolutely didn't lie. Two YouTubers said that Teela replaced He-Man as the main character and that the whole show was about her and her girlfriend. Smith pushed back on that notion because A. Teela doesn't replace He-Man and B. Teela and Andra aren't lesbian lovers. After he pushed back against it they doubled down on their YouTube show episode after episode for weeks calling him a liar and telling him to go F himself for ruining their childhood. So he pushed back harder. The original charge that Teela replaces He-Man as the main character - was wrong. It's an ensemble show. The original charge that they wokified Teela by making her a lesbian, was wrong.
She got a haircut. Big whoop.
The idea that Teela being the main character proving that Smith lied holds zero water based on the fact that Teela was a primary focus of this series was announced LONG before this became a controversy.
The constant pushing made him dig in his heels and made the original posters get more vitriolic which spawned more unneeded controversy.
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Haven’t see this (I was never into He-Man as a kid and I have zero interest in it now) BUT … I’m a Kevin Smith fan in general and I pretty much agree with what the previous few posters have said.
It’s another example of the current toxic culture where people seem to immediately polarize over things and then angrily attack anyone that does not agree with their view point. It’s pretty depressing to be honest …
All I know is Season 2 better not take very long...
I think End of the year is aimed at.
Couldn't sleep so I watched all episodes on friday night. And I liked it. Can't wait for the rest.
** spoiler omitted **Yeah honestly some of the complaints make me wonder if these people even watched the show (I mean I assume they did since they use footage in there videos but how they can watch it and come to the conclusions they did just baffles me.)
The obvious answer would be they lied to get clicks. There are more than enough people on youtube that make stuff up to get clicks.
And really? If working together means Teela and Andra are in a relationship, the people making this up should never watch the new She-Ra Series...
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** spoiler omitted **Yeah honestly some of the complaints make me wonder if these people even watched the show (I mean I assume they did since they use footage in there videos but how they can watch it and come to the conclusions they did just baffles me.)The obvious answer would be they lied to get clicks. There are more than enough people on youtube that make stuff up to get clicks.
And really? If working together means Teela and Andra are in a relationship, the people making this up should never watch the new She-Ra Series...
To be fair a lot of the same people complaining about this are the ones that complained about the new she-ra series
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Yeah honestly some of the complaints make me wonder if these people even watched the show (I mean I assume they did since they use footage in there videos but how they can watch it and come to the conclusions they did just baffles me.)
Not only do the complaints make me wonder if they watched Revelations, some of them make me wonder if they engaged with any of the older MOTU at all.
Perfect example. One of these videos includes a 10 minute rant about how Teela in Filmation was their favorite character and they own a collection of original Teela figures and that this show wokifies her. One of the chief complaints in there was that Queen Merlena saying that Teela looked like a “Warrior Goddess” was the woke writers putting their new “She-Man” on a pedestal.
Well no, it’s what she was called on the packaging of that toy you claimed to have a collection of. Was on the OG packaging, the MOTU Classics packaging and the new MOTU Origins packaging.
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And some of the arguments are just so bloody stupid.
She got a haircut, put on armour that would actually protect you from injury and has clearly visible muscles, like a warrior should have. Oh and now she travels the world with another woman
So she must be lesbian now
Really??
I mean honestly, she doesn't fit in their tiny box of "What women should be like" so she must be a lesbian now.
Why can't people just enjoy stuff. It's a good story, it has some cool moments in it and the 2nd half looks like it'll be crazy
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** spoiler omitted **Yeah honestly some of the complaints make me wonder if these people even watched the show (I mean I assume they did since they use footage in there videos but how they can watch it and come to the conclusions they did just baffles me.)
I'm thinking many of these people didn't watch He-Man at all.
All I know is I saw 10 minutes and wished I could have had time for more. But I had to come home and eat dinner.
I don't understand why other industry folks have gotten mildly chastised for this in the past but Kevin Smith is getting absolutely firebombed on social media
There's lying about a plot point, and there's lying about what movie you're making. The show is called He Man, he was billed as doing a he man reboot, the series (so far) Is Tea-LAH or maybe Warrior women of Eternia, or Badass normals in a world of magic. He- Man already has a distaff counterpart, and thats She Ra.
I did like it. But can see where people might have gotten a little annoyed with the main character being moved to the background like that. Important background, plot moving background, but still background. This could have worked in the middle or end of a he man series, as the start or, worse, only part of a he man series it could easily be a bit off putting.
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Except that the show ISN'T called He Man, it's called Masters of the Universe: Revelation. Masters of the Universe is an overall line of multiple properties that all include He-Man alongside a humongous ensemble cast of characters. It wasn't billed as a He-Man reboot, it was billed as a spiritual successor that would pick It was billed as pick up storylines from the older shows, the mini comics, and the mainline comics and pay them off while nodding toward all of the various MOTU canon.
Since the announcement at PowerCon in 2019 they've been teasing the importance of Teela's role and the fact that they were going to finally play out the story of her secret in a way where she doesn't get her mind wiped afterwards like she did in Filmation. That storyline and secret, one imagines, is the Revelation in the title.
Teela isn't presented in any version of MOTU lore as being the female version of He-Man - including this one. They are setting her up as a protector of Eternia, because that is what she has always been destined to be - and doing it in a way where she felt betrayed by Adam's secret and rejects magic because of that is called dramatic irony.
Further, the difference between Teela here and Teela in Filmation is of showing and not telling. In Filmation they were constantly saying that Teela was the finest warrior in Eternia next to He-Man and that she would one day succeed Man-at-Arms as the leader of Eternian forces, but what we saw was her whining about the fact that Adam ran off whenever He-Man showed up. Occasionally she would do something cool with the Wind-Raider, but that was about it. This Teela is being presented the way the OG Teela was described on the show - what is the problem with that?
As for Adam/He-Man. His position in this first five episodes is straight out of Joseph Campbell. To take the static, unflinchingly moral hero who can never be bested (as Filmation presented him) and place him on the hero's journey so that he can go into the depths without the possibility of reward and return stronger to best his greatest villain - is pretty standard at the end of the day.
Except that the show ISN'T called He Man, it's called Masters of the Universe: Revelation.
And when people have no idea what that means, you tell them the show is he man, THEN they know what you're talking about. Just like episode four of star wars is "the first one". You can tack on what you want, the show is He man in peoples minds.
Masters of the Universe is an overall line of multiple properties that all include He-Man alongside a humongous ensemble cast of characters
It's He Man and the masters of the universe. He has top billing, and its him and all those other guys.
Further, the difference between Teela here and Teela in Filmation is of showing and not telling. In Filmation they were constantly saying that Teela was the finest warrior in Eternia next to He-Man and that she would one day succeed Man-at-Arms as the leader of Eternian forces....his Teela is being presented the way the OG Teela was described on the show - what is the problem with that?
Right, be we saw that INSTEAD of he man. Not that AND he man.
Which I kind of get. He's like trying to write superman . His power level is so far above the others it makes it hard to put them in the same plot.
As for Adam/He-Man. His position in this first five episodes is straight out of Joseph Campbell. To take the static, unflinchingly moral hero who can never be bested (as Filmation presented him) and place him on the hero's journey so that he can go into the depths without the possibility of reward and return stronger to best his greatest villain - is pretty standard at the end of the day.
I think You're kind of reaching there. I don't think he was around and active enough for that to actually happen, nor do I think he's significantly different at the beginning than at the end. The obvious aside. He might have changed, but we really don't have enough of a season to find out. He was there, he was gone, he's back, and then that happened 2 seconds later and that's not exactly a whole lot of time to show growth and change.
And when people have no idea what that means, you tell them the show is he man, THEN they know what you're talking about. Just like episode four of star wars is "the first one". You can tack on what you want, the show is He man in peoples minds.
Yeah, but that isn't the title. You said that it was, and it isn't. More than that it isn't the title of the series for a reason.
It's He Man and the masters of the universe. He has top billing, and its him and all those other guys.
That's absolutely true if the only point of reference you have is the Filmation cartoon and the 200X cartoon. If you followed the toy line, read the comic, collected the mini comics or any of the other media that was called MOTU then you know good and well that it's more than that.
Right, be we saw that INSTEAD of he man. Not that AND he man.
So we can only show her actually being the bad ass she was described as in 1983 if we show her also playing second fiddle at the same time? Sure. Can't take her on a journey so she can earn her ascendence as the daughter of the Sorceress without it being a journey where she's just backing up He-Man
I think You're kind of reaching there. I don't think he was around and active enough for that to actually happen, nor do I think he's significantly different at the beginning than at the end. The obvious aside. He might have changed, but we really don't have enough of a season to find out. He was there, he was gone, he's back, and then that happened 2 seconds...
Sure...he should have been in it, she should have been second banana, he should have talked his way out of every problem and the sword should just have been window dressing. Change is bad mmkay.
Removing He-Man from play in episode one is a reset button that allows them to transcend the Filmation status quo so that the back half of the series can move beyond it and re-establish a newer version of the status quo.
Yeah, but that isn't the title. You said that it was, and it isn't.
You can call the new series what you want it's harder to change the show.
That's absolutely true if the only point of reference you have is the Filmation cartoon and the 200X cartoon.
Which is the main point of reference for the vast majority of people, even fans.
So we can only show her actually being the bad ass she was described as in 1983 if we show her also playing second fiddle at the same time?
No. There are ways around it. You just need to write in opponents or obstacles that skill and finesse can solve but strength can't, or strength and finesse are at least more equal, or you have mixes of fights where either ones skill set is optimized for the encounter
giants are holding innocent people like shields, he man is afraid of punching the stone giant so hard shards will obliterate the human shield
ghost ninjas with really sharp weapons that only take one hit to drop whether its he man or Teelas damage but are really hard to hit
If the monster isn't slain right through the eye it just sprouts 2 of them when hit.
The opponent has super akido that lets them use their opponents strength against them figuratively
the opponent is a power leech who uses their opponents strength against everyone literally.
The opponent knows adam is really only a 16 year old kid and keeps ticking him off into doing foolish things that cause a lot of collateral domage.
You could also do what the series seems to be hinting at and
Change is bad mmkay.
Well yes you are dealing with a geek franchise that is going to be a reaction.
You can call the new series what you want it's harder to change the show.
New Adventures took him into outer space, 200X introduced vast quantities of new lore. It's VERY EASY to change the show.
Which is the main point of reference for the vast majority of people, even fans.
Somehow I doubt that. All the people on YouTube complaining about it all have MOTUC figures behind them and have DC comics Masters of the Multiverse posters on their walls.
No. There are ways around it. You just need to write in opponents or obstacles that skill and finesse can solve but strength can't, or strength and finesse are at least more equal, or you have mixes of fights where either ones skill set is optimized for the encounter
Your complaint is that she is too physically strong? Based on what? The small handful of actual fights we saw in Filmation established no baseline of strength to draw from when judging anything.
You could also do what the series seems to be hinting at and
Spoiler:
It isn't a spoiler considering they revealed it to the audience in the 1983 episode: "Teela's Quest." The only person who doesn't know is Teela, oh and all these MOTU fans who are saying that Smith and Co. ruined their fandom by focusing on a story they somehow didn't know about or don't remember.
New Adventures took him into outer space, 200X introduced vast quantities of new lore. It's VERY EASY to change the show.
Why Him and not them?
Because its a He man Show. Becuase the rest is less mutable than having He Man there.
Somehow I doubt that. All the people on YouTube complaining about it all have MOTUC figures behind them and have DC comics Masters of the Multiverse posters on their walls.
Both of which I'd imagine have more He Man than this series did.
Your complaint is that she is too physically strong? Based on what? The small handful of actual fights we saw in Filmation established no baseline of strength to draw from when judging anything.
No. I have NO idea where you're getting that. At all. Its NOT from anything I wrote.
He Man is Stronger than Teela. Or anyone. By Geometric amounts unless he's arm wrestling superman. If the problem can be solved by hitting things hard or brute strength, He Man is the only character you need and everyone else is window dressing.
So I suggested alternate ways to put He Man and Teela in the same battle
so that her special abilities (skill) matter more than he mans abilities (brute strength) or at least give her a nich/ something to do in said battle. Having he man be absent or reduce Teela to window dressing is a false dichotomy.
oh and all these MOTU fans who are saying that Smith and Co. ruined their fandom by focusing on a story they somehow didn't know about or don't remember.
and possibly board readers who were't born until 20 years later....
They heard they were getting a He Man story
They arguably did not.
Things are different.
geek grarg
If it had been titled power girls of eternia, or thelmia and louise: TeelaLyn edition THAT may have been enough warning. But A He Man show with a generic he man title without he man....as folks may have had expectations that weren't met.
Why Him and not them?
Because its a He man Show. Becuase the rest is less mutable than having He Man there.
No, it’s because that show was called The New Adventures of He-Man, thus focusing directly on him. Whereas 200X, which introduced considerable amounts of lore and stories that focused on things other than He-Man didn’t jettison the MOTU designator. And I cannot begin to tell you how many Filmation episodes focused on Adam being unable to become He-Man for a myriad number of reasons.
It’s like you’re hung up on a mental picture of a He-Man show that never really ever existed.
Both of which I'd imagine have more He Man than this series did.
One of them is a toy-line that focused on expanding the lore and using the toys to tell a narrative that explored the centuries before Adam ever hefted the sword.
No. I have NO idea where you're getting that. At all. Its NOT from anything I wrote.
I suggested that this show was showing how Teela is the elite warrior that the old show claimed she was, to which you have a laundry list of ways they could do that while showing her tactical skill without minimizing He-Man’s raw strength. You made it about strength and power. It’s directly from what you wrote.
So I suggested alternate ways to put He Man and Teela in the same battle
so that her special abilities (skill) matter more than he mans abilities (brute strength) or at least give her a nich/ something to do in said battle. Having he man be absent or reduce Teela to window dressing is a false dichotomy.
Which was a wholly irrelevant series of alternate ways because nothing in the first 5 episodes was solved purely through Teela’s raw strength.
and possibly board readers who were't born until 20 years later....
Maybe board readers who weren’t born until 20 years later should stop trying to explain the fan perspective to board readers who watched the original episodes as they aired as if we’re the ones who for some reason don’t get it.
They heard they were getting a He Man story
They arguably did not.
Things are different.
geek grarg
They were told they were getting a Masters of the Universe story in which Teela would figure prominently. They inarguably got that.
If it had been titled power girls of eternia, or thelmia and louise: TeelaLyn edition THAT may have been enough warning. But A He Man show with a generic he man title without he man....as folks may have had expectations that weren't met.
So if it had had a reductive name maybe they could have accepted a girl show, but they thought boy show character was gonna be in it more and it was going to 100% be a boy show. They aren’t “power girls.” It isn’t the “TeelaLyn” story.
It’s a standard “what is the world like without the hero” narrative. The only thing that seems to be irking people about it is that it’s a girl that goes searching for the hero. Which is frankly just lame.
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Anyways... Wheel of Time should be good. :p Also glad they got Chris Wood to do VA work for this.
how many Filmation episodes focused on Adam being unable to become He-Man for a myriad number of reasons.
The last really wouldn't qualify as adam is still he man.
Also its Episodes. Not the entire series, probably not an entire season, and probably not 6 episodes in a row.
It’s like you’re hung up on a mental picture of a He-Man show that never really ever existed.
Nostalgia will do that, but if you need to pull in the comics and toys then you're talking about a he man show that most people haven't seen.
I suggested that this show was showing how Teela is the elite warrior that the old show claimed she was, to which you have a laundry list of ways they could do that while showing her tactical skill without minimizing He-Man’s raw strength. You made it about strength and power. It’s directly from what you wrote.
How to have a combat that's NOT all about strength and power so the more skilled character isn't overshone by the character with vastly more strength and power, is somehow me making it about strength and power?
Holy hell No. Making the fight about skill so that it's NOT about strength and power so the skilled character can shine is the literal opposite of making it about strength. You are simply in search of a problem and making one up whole cloth at this point despite anything I could possibly say, not reacting in any coherent fashion to what I'm saying.
Which was a wholly irrelevant series of alternate ways because nothing in the first 5 episodes was solved purely through Teela’s raw strength.
... Becausae Teela doesn't have the incredible raw strength of he man and he man was written out of the picture. Try to put he man back in the picture with the problems they had and they WOULD have been solved with he mans raw strength. He man could have ripped the gate off of snake mountain fished the tentacle monster out of the lake and used it tie up the entire cult of bill gates to the tune of "whip it, whip it good..."
But this story is about Teela. Getting rid of He man is one way to tell it but the point of listing possible enemies is to show that its not the ONLY way it could have happened. You got rid of he man when people were expecting a he man story. Yeah. That's going to set off some geek umbrage.
Getting rid of he man is definitely better than her playing second fiddle to him in her own story, but wasn't neccesary.
Maybe board readers who weren’t born until 20 years later should stop trying to explain the fan perspective to board readers who watched the original episodes as they aired as if...
Oh please. Half the reason I became a heathen was skipping CCD to watch he man and we didn't have a VCR that could record yet...
So if it had had a reductive name maybe they could have accepted a girl show, but they thought boy show character was gonna be in it more and it was going to 100% be a boy show.
partially that, partially the girl power thing is getting a bit overdone. Hard to tell without a third control group. Some level of "this is new so its terrible" is inevitable. But if you're going to yank the main character for what is now the "whole" series yeah. Be ready to duck some mountain dew bottles.
They aren’t “power girls.” It isn’t the “TeelaLyn” story.
Its going into their backgrounds, characters, and motivations the most. They are the ones who grow and change ... or cause the problem by backsliding. They're the main characters of this arc. This arc is currently the sum total of the series.
It’s a standard “what is the world like without the hero” narrative. The only thing that seems to be irking people about it is that it’s a girl that goes searching for the hero. Which is frankly just lame.
its a rather LONG world without the hero narative. Functionally months depending on when season/part 2 shows up. I don't think anyone... okay, i don't think more than the background radiation of geek grarg would have been grarging if this was a few episodes/two part special in a much longer series, but AS the series yes. Geeks are looking for a he man show and there's not enough he man.
I liked the show. For me it may as well just be the next episode of the filmation cartoon, so the criticisms I'm seeing aren't a problem for me. But I can see where they'd be a problem for someone else.
I mentioned the comics and toys to illustrate that the people on YouTube complaining have access to the materials that would grant them the advanced knowledge of the franchise to understand the nature of the story as presented and how it fits with the overall franchise and thus their rage is merely performative to get clicks.
Your thought exercise about better ways to display the skill of Teela shows more about what your personal bugbear is - because it was an issue that didn’t need resolving in the narrative and no one brought it up but you.
I watched the Filmation series as a kid too, and I also liked these episodes. Seeing why others could be upset is one thing, turning that into tacit agreement that Kevin Smith lied because the upset fans had different expectations than what they got however are two different things. But you enjoyed the show, so we are in agreement and you can stop with your devils advocacy fansplaining in my direction.
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I don't understand why other industry folks have gotten mildly chastised for this in the past but Kevin Smith is getting absolutely firebombed on social mediaThere's lying about a plot point, and there's lying about what movie you're making.
Wolf: Have you watched the Nerdrotic reviews for He-Man? it's almost as entertaining as the show itself... lol
I enjoyed it, and will watch the rest when it is released. The animation is certainly better than the Filmation show from the '80s. I knew it was bad even back then, and I was eight when that came out.
Have you watched the Nerdrotic reviews for He-Man? it's almost as entertaining as the show itself... lol
Which one? They seem to have a show, a show about the show and an alternate show, which one is the review of he man ?
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Nerdrotic makes his bones by fanning the flames of almost every genre based controversy around - even the ones that aren’t real. “Female Doctor Who bad” “Star Trek Discovery secretly in Kelvin Timeline because of 20% Different clause” “Go Woke Go Broke.”
I’m unsurprised he did a series of He-Man reviews. Got to ride that controversy to at least two weeks worth of algorithm engagement.
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I think Nerdrotic makes a valid point throughout his various rants though: the hijacking of perfectly decent comic plots by various executives in show business for various reasons. None of the Marvel or DC movies we've seen were a 100% attempt at remaining within canon, for various reasons. The LotR movies by Peter Jackson had slight differences sure, but when I watched these movies I could turn the pages of the book in my head, nodding with satisfaction.
With Marvel or DC movies, it's always a crappy Kinder Egg surprise.
I would love for someone to make the attempt at drawing within the lines once or twice especially with Marvel (cause I care more 'bout Marvel than DC, tbh)
PS: this is why I've absolutely hated the fiasco of Marvel being unable to use all their properties since the beginning. I've always felt they should have secured those rights ASAP after Iron Man 1 so they could go nuts with a true Marvel Universe and use FF, X-Men, Namor, etc. What we got instead was diluted from the beginning, whether you liked it or not.
DC and Marvel Comics have never made an attempt of keeping 100% with established canon. Why should a film series be expected to do what the main Four Color franchise doesn’t do itself?
I mean some TIMES they do...but mostly you're correct, dirtypool, that both tend to ignore cannon when it suits them.
cast 2 angels as marauding bad guys in one film.
A plain reading of the Pentateuch would mean that if you ever saw an angel in real life, you should run away as fast as you possibly can, though most likely it's already too late.
I’m not a comic fan because I’m telling you that Marvel and DC continuity are the swiss cheesiest, most ignored and thrown out continuities in the history of storytelling? That’s a bit reductive from the person who thinks Marvel should have just snapped their magic fingers to get their characters out of decades old contracts.
Tell me then, if the DCEU were going to make a film with a comics accurate Brainiac - which comics accurate Brainiac would you consider “drawing within the lines?” Vrill 1, Vrill 2, Machine Planet, Machine Vrill, Kryptonian Construct, The Collector, or Vrill the Collector?
I believe by comic fan he means the tiger skin wearing neanderthals complaining about yet another men/boys franchise trying to do the girl power thing by replacing a beloved male character with a female counterpart instead of having the male lead we were looking for.
(Which I think means he has me on ignore... : ) )
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Don't worry Wolf, I won't ignore you and dirtypool.
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I believe by comic fan he means the tiger skin wearing neanderthals complaining about yet another men/boys franchise trying to do the girl power thing by replacing a beloved male character with a female counterpart instead of having the male lead we were looking for.
(Which I think means he has me on ignore... : ) )
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Damn those tiger skin wearers!I believe by comic fan he means the tiger skin wearing neanderthals complaining about yet another men/boys franchise trying to do the girl power thing by replacing a beloved male character with a female counterpart instead of having the male lead we were looking for.
(Which I think means he has me on ignore... : ) )
Its sustainable. You can get 1,596 outfits out of one medium sized tiger.