Goblin Ranger Animal Companion Mount Question


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Dark Archive 2/5 5/5

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We're gearing up to play some Pathfinder Society and one of my players created a goblin ranger with an animal companion. I remembered the Rough Rider fear for goblins and pitched it to my player, who loved the idea of riding his wolf animal companion.

Then I ran into a problem... Rough Rider says he can choose a wolf as an animal companion and gives bonuses if used as a mount. However, according to the animal companion rules, to ride an animal companion, the mount must be one size larger than the character. Goblins and wolves are both small, so he can't ride a wolf.

My player was really stoked to ride his wolf animal companion but the rules don't seem to allow it. Am I missing something? Is there a way to allow this without breaking rules?

I want to stick to RAW since we will be playing Pathfinder Society, no house rules.

Your thoughts?

Verdant Wheel 5/5 5/5 **

This is something I have been disappointed with since making Bill Lowney, that he has to wait until 6th level to ride his Wolf, when he would get the Animal Companion upgrade that makes the Wolf into a Med creature.

The way it would be solved is if there is some way to get the Mount feat/Ability on the animal, but thus far I believe only the Horse and Pony have that feat. (Another reason for Goblins to hate Horses)

Dark Archive 2/5 5/5

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I appreciate the response. So it sounds like I was reading it correctly. At least there is an option to make it possible at level 6. :)

Liberty's Edge 3/5 5/5 *** Venture-Captain, Nebraska—Omaha

Yes you are reading it correctly. Right now, there is no work around that I am aware of. Hope an ACP boon will be offered to add the mount trait.

Dark Archive 5/5 5/55/5

Have you taken a look at the Beastmaster dedication?

There's a 4th level feat that allows for your companion's advancement to the 'mature' stage, increasing its size.

5/5 *** Venture-Agent, California—San Francisco Bay Area North & East

Had I had been struggling to make the mounted combatant I wanted prior to the APG. Fighter w/Beastmaster worked out much better in my mind than ranger.

Horizon Hunters 2/5 *** Venture-Agent, California—Silicon Valley

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Point them toward the Cavalier Archetype rather than taking an AC at level 1. That's the easiest way to get a Medium Wolf Mount with that feat.

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Isn't reskinning acceptable in PFS? Couldn't they take the medium horse at level 1, call it a "wolf" as long as they use the stats of a horse?

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

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That's not how reskinning works.

Reskinning is saying that your "wolf" is an uncharacteristic color, or has 9 tails, or is a rare species, or is a genetically superior cloned amalgamation of every famous wolf that ever lived.

But it still needs to be recognizable as a wolf, in-character, with NPCs reacting to it as a wolf accordingly.

I believe the original reskinning kerfuffle was someone trying to say that their wolf was actually an adorable pig and shouldn't be reacted to as a predatory canine.

Silver Crusade 5/5 5/5 **

Nefreet wrote:

That's not how reskinning works.

Reskinning is saying that your "wolf" is an uncharacteristic color, or has 9 tails, or is a rare species, or is a genetically superior cloned amalgamation of every famous wolf that ever lived.

But it still needs to be recognizable as a wolf, in-character, with NPCs reacting to it as a wolf accordingly.

I believe the original reskinning kerfuffle was someone trying to say that their wolf was actually an adorable pig and shouldn't be reacted to as a predatory canine.

My memory is that the original person just wanted to ride a pig, no mechanical benefits whatsoever (goblins would still hate it, etc).

Even in PFS many GMs won't care if you reflavour a horse to a wolf as long as there are absolutely ZERO mechanical changes.

And if your GM objects, the fallback (and clearly totally legal) position is that your character is a little touched in the head. They're riding a horse but completely believes (or claims to) that it is a wolf

Grand Lodge 4/5 *** Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento

pauljathome wrote:
Nefreet wrote:

That's not how reskinning works.

Reskinning is saying that your "wolf" is an uncharacteristic color, or has 9 tails, or is a rare species, or is a genetically superior cloned amalgamation of every famous wolf that ever lived.

But it still needs to be recognizable as a wolf, in-character, with NPCs reacting to it as a wolf accordingly.

I believe the original reskinning kerfuffle was someone trying to say that their wolf was actually an adorable pig and shouldn't be reacted to as a predatory canine.

My memory is that the original person just wanted to ride a pig, no mechanical benefits whatsoever (goblins would still hate it, etc).

No, the original argument started because they asserted that the gobins in the scenario *shouldn't* hate his wolf, because it was, in fact, a pig.

Honestly, with as many opportunities as there are now in PF2, I would say that being fundamentally confused as to the species of your mount, down to feeding it a different ration type, would be a disqualifying permanent condition.

Having to wait a few levels to get the character concept you want is not a justification for making your character fundamentally mentally deficient.

It would be like me asserting that my wizard believes his produce flame cantrip produces 20 foot explosions, because my character concept is "can throw fireballs."

5/5 *** Venture-Agent, California—San Francisco Bay Area North & East

Nefreet wrote:


I believe the original reskinning kerfuffle was someone trying to say that their wolf was actually an adorable pig and shouldn't be reacted to as a predatory canine.

It was a dog reskinned as a pig, in a scenario with violent goblin allies, and a specific warning from the VC to not bring dogs or horses.

In case anybody wants to read a nearly 10 yr old thread on the subject...

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

Thanks. Every time the topic comes up I have that debate with myself to either spend time digging for the original story or paraphrase the overall gist of it.

A Goblin riding a wolf is something I've been thinking of for a while now, too. I'm glad someone mentioned Cavalier. I think that would work nicely for me.

Dark Archive 4/5 ** Venture-Lieutenant, Finland—Turku

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Cavalier archetype seems the easiest solution, and at lvl 6 when you could pick up mature companion, you can retrain your cavalier archetype feat to something else if you feel like it. Retraining feats is super cheap.

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Cavalier is currently limited to Horse only, with two exceptions found on Chronicles...

Requires the AC have the Mount special...

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

Goblins get an out:

You can always select a wolf as your animal companion, even if you would usually select an animal companion with the mount special ability, such as for a champion's steed ally.

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Nefreet wrote:
Goblins get an out:
You can always select a wolf as your animal companion, even if you would usually select an animal companion with the mount special ability, such as for a champion's steed ally.

And, that's what I get for not checking Rough Rider... ^_^

... now to rummage through the pile of GM credits...

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