paizo.com Recent Posts in Battle Medicine post errata v2paizo.com Recent Posts in Battle Medicine post errata v22020-11-13T18:08:54Z2020-11-13T18:08:54ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: Battle Medicine post errata v2Darksol the Painbringerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs438c7?Battle-Medicine-post-errata-v2#412020-11-14T02:30:04Z2020-11-14T01:38:17Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">nicholas storm wrote:</div><blockquote><p> From the errata:</p>
<p>Update: We will be updating the tools revamp to indicate that worn healer's tools (along with other tool kits) take only one hand to use, as you don't have to hold the whole kit in your other hand, just pull out the things you need. What this means for Battle Medicine is that you only need one free hand to perform it with worn healer's tools, you don't need both hands. </blockquote><p>••EDIT••
<p>Nevermind, found it.</p>
<p>I do appreciate Mark's comment on what the intent is, which is two hands if not worn, one hand if worn. Whether that's what the errata will actually read is a whole different animal entirely.</p>nicholas storm wrote:From the errata:
Update: We will be updating the tools revamp to indicate that worn healer's tools (along with other tool kits) take only one hand to use, as you don't have to hold the whole kit in your other hand, just pull out the things you need. What this means for Battle Medicine is that you only need one free hand to perform it with worn healer's tools, you don't need both hands.
**EDIT** Nevermind, found it.
I do appreciate Mark's comment on what the intent is,...Darksol the Painbringer2020-11-14T01:38:17ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: Battle Medicine post errata v2Arachnofiendhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs438c7?Battle-Medicine-post-errata-v2#402020-11-14T20:32:19Z2020-11-14T01:21:24Z<p>Seifter's post (and the accompanying fix to the errata) settles the issue pretty conclusively. I don't see how there can be any more debate at this point. You need one hand and the tools on your person.</p>Seifter's post (and the accompanying fix to the errata) settles the issue pretty conclusively. I don't see how there can be any more debate at this point. You need one hand and the tools on your person.Arachnofiend2020-11-14T01:21:24ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: Battle Medicine post errata v2nicholas storm (alias of Jon Otaguro 428)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs438c7?Battle-Medicine-post-errata-v2#392020-11-14T20:31:53Z2020-11-14T00:55:35Z<p>From the errata:</p>
<p>Update: We will be updating the tools revamp to indicate that worn healer's tools (along with other tool kits) take only one hand to use, as you don't have to hold the whole kit in your other hand, just pull out the things you need. What this means for Battle Medicine is that you only need one free hand to perform it with worn healer's tools, you don't need both hands.</p>From the errata:
Update: We will be updating the tools revamp to indicate that worn healer's tools (along with other tool kits) take only one hand to use, as you don't have to hold the whole kit in your other hand, just pull out the things you need. What this means for Battle Medicine is that you only need one free hand to perform it with worn healer's tools, you don't need both hands.nicholas storm (alias of Jon Otaguro 428)2020-11-14T00:55:35ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: Battle Medicine post errata v2Darksol the Painbringerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs438c7?Battle-Medicine-post-errata-v2#382020-11-14T01:35:14Z2020-11-14T00:30:32Z<p>Looks like whoever did this errata didn't really understand to hardcode the underlying issues at hand into confirmation.</p>
<p>We know that Battle Medicine has had two contention points. The first one was that simply listing them as a requirement did not ever claim that you actually use them, merely that you possess them. Nothing in the feat description states you're using them. Nothing in the general rules state you're using them. It's literally dead text that serves no purpose other than to create table variation.</p>
<p>This segues into the second contention point, which was to determine how many hands were required between the multiple different activities you could make with Healer's Tools (and by relation, all tools, after further speculation). As with the first point, people claimed that because it's merely required to possess them, limbs aren't required to operate them (armless medics and jedi mind tricks be damned), so they just "work". Others stated that because it's a manipulate, some form of limb (usually a hand) is required, though this falls under GM FIAT territory (hence table variation shenanigans), and others still have stated that if the intent is for actual usage, then it should be used as is normal for tools, as listed in the hands requirement of the item. All three interpretations have merit to them, and can't really disprove one or the other.</p>
<p>This errata addresses <b>none</b> of these major concerns, which have been expressed across numerous threads and countless posts. In fact, the only thing this errata does (which is nice) is state you both draw <b>and stow</b> the tools, both as you attempt them, and as the action completes, something which was initially missing in the original rules. This makes transitioning much easier and more fluid, which is good, don't get me wrong. But it's a non-sequitur to the entire point of all of this arguing.</p>
<p>We are otherwise in no different a place than square 1 (or rather, square 2, after the first round of errata was released), where none of this is at all clarified, which is aggravating. I feel like we are speaking through an old-school speech recognition device and being misheard constantly as to what our issue is, considering this has now been two errata rounds and these issues are still not adequately addressed whatsoever.</p>Looks like whoever did this errata didn't really understand to hardcode the underlying issues at hand into confirmation.
We know that Battle Medicine has had two contention points. The first one was that simply listing them as a requirement did not ever claim that you actually use them, merely that you possess them. Nothing in the feat description states you're using them. Nothing in the general rules state you're using them. It's literally dead text that serves no purpose other than to...Darksol the Painbringer2020-11-14T00:30:32ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: Battle Medicine post errata v2Deadmanwalkinghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs438c7?Battle-Medicine-post-errata-v2#372020-11-14T20:31:46Z2020-11-14T00:15:10Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Sliska Zafir wrote:</div><blockquote>I wasn't talking actions. I was talking free hands. </blockquote><p>You're right. Typo on my part. It clarifies exactly that.Sliska Zafir wrote:I wasn't talking actions. I was talking free hands.
You're right. Typo on my part. It clarifies exactly that.Deadmanwalking2020-11-14T00:15:10ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: Battle Medicine post errata v2graystonehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs438c7?Battle-Medicine-post-errata-v2#362020-11-14T19:36:13Z2020-11-14T00:15:04Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Deadmanwalking wrote:</div><blockquote><p> No, rainzax is correct. </p>
<p>Follow the link, it includes Mark Seifter explicitly and definitively answering the thing on Battle Medicine once and for all: If you have Healer's Tools in a bandolier, it requires one action. </blockquote><p>Small quibble: bandolier doesn't exist as an item now but is just a nice visual for wearing your tools. It works just as well stuffing your tools into pockets, in pouches, into your belt ot anything else you want to say. Heck, fantasy velcro or magnetics could by how you do it. ;)Deadmanwalking wrote:No, rainzax is correct.
Follow the link, it includes Mark Seifter explicitly and definitively answering the thing on Battle Medicine once and for all: If you have Healer's Tools in a bandolier, it requires one action.
Small quibble: bandolier doesn't exist as an item now but is just a nice visual for wearing your tools. It works just as well stuffing your tools into pockets, in pouches, into your belt ot anything else you want to say. Heck, fantasy velcro or magnetics...graystone2020-11-14T00:15:04ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: Battle Medicine post errata v2CrystalSeashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs438c7?Battle-Medicine-post-errata-v2#352020-11-14T20:31:34Z2020-11-14T00:12:07Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Sliska Zafir wrote:</div><blockquote> This update hasn't clarified how many free hands it requires to use Battle Medicine. </blockquote><p>Please take a moment to actually read the post
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Mark Seifter wrote:</div><blockquote><b> you just need one hand</b></blockquote><p>Sliska Zafir wrote:This update hasn't clarified how many free hands it requires to use Battle Medicine.
Please take a moment to actually read the post Mark Seifter wrote: you just need one handCrystalSeas2020-11-14T00:12:07ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: Battle Medicine post errata v2Sliska Zafirhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs438c7?Battle-Medicine-post-errata-v2#342020-11-14T00:08:51Z2020-11-14T00:08:51Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Deadmanwalking wrote:</div><blockquote><p> No, rainzax is correct. </p>
<p>Follow the link, it includes Mark Seifter explicitly and definitively answering the thing on Battle Medicine once and for all: If you have Healer's Tools in a bandolier, it requires one action. </blockquote><p>I wasn't talking actions. I was talking free hands.Deadmanwalking wrote:No, rainzax is correct.
Follow the link, it includes Mark Seifter explicitly and definitively answering the thing on Battle Medicine once and for all: If you have Healer's Tools in a bandolier, it requires one action.
I wasn't talking actions. I was talking free hands.Sliska Zafir2020-11-14T00:08:51ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: Battle Medicine post errata v2Deadmanwalkinghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs438c7?Battle-Medicine-post-errata-v2#332020-11-14T20:31:19Z2020-11-14T00:07:29Z<p>No, rainzax is correct. </p>
<p>Follow the link, it includes Mark Seifter explicitly and definitively answering the thing on Battle Medicine once and for all: If you have Healer's Tools in a bandolier, it requires one hand free.</p>No, rainzax is correct.
Follow the link, it includes Mark Seifter explicitly and definitively answering the thing on Battle Medicine once and for all: If you have Healer's Tools in a bandolier, it requires one hand free.Deadmanwalking2020-11-14T00:07:29ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: Battle Medicine post errata v2rainzaxhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs438c7?Battle-Medicine-post-errata-v2#312020-11-14T08:01:23Z2020-11-13T21:23:07Z<p><a href="https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6shgf&page=6?Core-Rulebook-2nd-Printing-Errata#297" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">One!</a></p>One!rainzax2020-11-13T21:23:07ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: Battle Medicine post errata v2pauljathomehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs438c7?Battle-Medicine-post-errata-v2#302020-11-13T12:49:44Z2020-11-13T12:49:44Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Zapp wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Lawrencelot wrote:</div><blockquote> Paizo has been silent on this issue for long, but at least finally we know it has their attention: <a href="https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6shgf&page=6?Core-Rulebook-2nd-Printing-Errata#282" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">link</a>. </blockquote><p>Thank you for pointing this out.
<p>I guess all those people saying "don't make a fuss, it won't help" were wrong. </blockquote><p>Well, it hasn't really helped yet has it? :-(.Zapp wrote:Lawrencelot wrote: Paizo has been silent on this issue for long, but at least finally we know it has their attention: link.
Thank you for pointing this out. I guess all those people saying "don't make a fuss, it won't help" were wrong. Well, it hasn't really helped yet has it? :-(.pauljathome2020-11-13T12:49:44ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: Battle Medicine post errata v2Zapphttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs438c7?Battle-Medicine-post-errata-v2#292020-11-13T18:08:54Z2020-11-13T11:50:03Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Lawrencelot wrote:</div><blockquote> Paizo has been silent on this issue for long, but at least finally we know it has their attention: <a href="https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6shgf&page=6?Core-Rulebook-2nd-Printing-Errata#282" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">link</a>. </blockquote><p>Thank you for pointing this out.
<p>I guess all those people saying "don't make a fuss, it won't help" were wrong.</p>Lawrencelot wrote:Paizo has been silent on this issue for long, but at least finally we know it has their attention: link.
Thank you for pointing this out. I guess all those people saying "don't make a fuss, it won't help" were wrong.Zapp2020-11-13T11:50:03ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: Battle Medicine post errata v2Lawrencelothttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs438c7?Battle-Medicine-post-errata-v2#282020-11-13T10:32:47Z2020-11-13T10:32:47Z<p>Paizo has been silent on this issue for long, but at least finally we know it has their attention: <a href="https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6shgf&page=6?Core-Rulebook-2nd-Printing-Errata#282" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">link</a>.</p>Paizo has been silent on this issue for long, but at least finally we know it has their attention: link.Lawrencelot2020-11-13T10:32:47ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: Battle Medicine post errata v2pauljathomehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs438c7?Battle-Medicine-post-errata-v2#272020-11-10T23:51:55Z2020-11-10T23:51:55Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Dennis Muldoon wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">thunderspirit wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">pauljathome wrote:</div><blockquote> Personally, I'm going with the CRB.Its clear, at least.</blockquote><p>But the errata is supposed to be for the CRB, right? Meaning the intent is that it supersedes what's there.
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</blockquote>Yeah, given that the whole point of an errata document is to correct problems in the book, I think the errata is the one we should consider correct until we hear otherwise. </blockquote><p>The Errata is to the First printing of the CRB
<p>I was referring to the Second printing of the CRB</p>
<p>The one that is supposed to incorporate the errata.</p>Dennis Muldoon wrote:thunderspirit wrote: pauljathome wrote: Personally, I'm going with the CRB.Its clear, at least.
But the errata is supposed to be for the CRB, right? Meaning the intent is that it supersedes what's there.
Yeah, given that the whole point of an errata document is to correct problems in the book, I think the errata is the one we should consider correct until we hear otherwise. The Errata is to the First printing of the CRB I was referring to the Second printing of the CRB
...pauljathome2020-11-10T23:51:55ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: Battle Medicine post errata v2Zapphttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs438c7?Battle-Medicine-post-errata-v2#262020-11-10T22:48:48Z2020-11-10T22:30:49Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Angel Hunter D wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Sebastian Hirsch wrote:</div><blockquote> I would really prefer the designers to actually give us some examples who characters with different setups use Battle Medicine, that can't be too much to ask. </blockquote>You'd think so, but common opinion on here is that it is. </blockquote><p>In this case, when clarification first took ages, then were immediately bungled at least three ways (is it the updated CRB, the errata or the Beginners Box that apply?), I think nothing short of an official blog post clearly exemplifying each use case will do. And soon.Angel Hunter D wrote:Sebastian Hirsch wrote: I would really prefer the designers to actually give us some examples who characters with different setups use Battle Medicine, that can't be too much to ask.
You'd think so, but common opinion on here is that it is. In this case, when clarification first took ages, then were immediately bungled at least three ways (is it the updated CRB, the errata or the Beginners Box that apply?), I think nothing short of an official blog post clearly...Zapp2020-11-10T22:30:49ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: Battle Medicine post errata v2Amaya/Polarishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs438c7?Battle-Medicine-post-errata-v2#252020-11-10T21:50:44Z2020-11-10T21:50:44Z<p>I think that's how it's intended to work as well. As far as I can tell, most of the reasoning for why it wouldn't be at this point hinges on Battle Medicine being noted to "use" healer's tools and not being specified alongside Treat Wounds and other medicine skill actions in the "uses one hand" part. That could reasonably be taken to mean that Battle Medicine simply <i>requires</i> healer's tools that can be worn to work the same way as Treat Wounds in handedness, given how loose some of the language has been (and the earliest version of Battle Medicine not requiring the tools at all, which that text could be trying to clarify is no longer the case).</p>
<p>I believe the second printing of the book uses some older first printing text instead of errata text, but if that's so (and it isn't a 3rd version entirely), that's a pretty strong indicator that the second printing simply didn't include the errata text by mistake.</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>I think that's how it's intended to work as well. As far as I can tell, most of the reasoning for why it wouldn't be at this point hinges on Battle Medicine being noted to "use" healer's tools and not being specified alongside Treat Wounds and other medicine skill actions in the "uses one hand" part. That could reasonably be taken to mean that Battle Medicine simply requires healer's tools that can be worn to work the same way as Treat Wounds in handedness, given how loose some of the...Amaya/Polaris2020-11-10T21:50:44ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: Battle Medicine post errata v2Angel Hunter Dhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs438c7?Battle-Medicine-post-errata-v2#242020-11-10T21:44:50Z2020-11-10T21:44:50Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Dennis Muldoon wrote:</div><blockquote> Seems like an easier solution would have been 'healers tools require two free hands if held or one if worn', or something like that. </blockquote><p>I <i>think</i> that's what they were trying to say with kits, but they didn't really say it clearly.Dennis Muldoon wrote:Seems like an easier solution would have been 'healers tools require two free hands if held or one if worn', or something like that.
I think that's what they were trying to say with kits, but they didn't really say it clearly.Angel Hunter D2020-11-10T21:44:50ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: Battle Medicine post errata v2Dennis Muldoonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs438c7?Battle-Medicine-post-errata-v2#232021-04-16T21:47:47Z2020-11-10T21:05:05Z<p>Seems like an easier solution would have been 'healers tools require two free hands if held or one if worn', or something like that.</p>Seems like an easier solution would have been 'healers tools require two free hands if held or one if worn', or something like that.Dennis Muldoon2020-11-10T21:05:05ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: Battle Medicine post errata v2Shea Hoarfoothttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs438c7?Battle-Medicine-post-errata-v2#222020-11-10T22:47:45Z2020-11-10T20:03:22Z<p>And how does this affect all the Medic feats... wich all ALSO seem to need one hand</p>And how does this affect all the Medic feats... wich all ALSO seem to need one handShea Hoarfoot2020-11-10T20:03:22ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: Battle Medicine post errata v2Dennis Muldoonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs438c7?Battle-Medicine-post-errata-v2#212020-11-10T17:32:29Z2020-11-10T17:32:29Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">thunderspirit wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">pauljathome wrote:</div><blockquote> Personally, I'm going with the CRB.Its clear, at least.</blockquote><p>But the errata is supposed to be for the CRB, right? Meaning the intent is that it supersedes what's there.
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</blockquote><p>Yeah, given that the whole point of an errata document is to correct problems in the book, I think the errata is the one we should consider correct until we hear otherwise.thunderspirit wrote:pauljathome wrote: Personally, I'm going with the CRB.Its clear, at least.
But the errata is supposed to be for the CRB, right? Meaning the intent is that it supersedes what's there.
Yeah, given that the whole point of an errata document is to correct problems in the book, I think the errata is the one we should consider correct until we hear otherwise.Dennis Muldoon2020-11-10T17:32:29ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: Battle Medicine post errata v2Angel Hunter Dhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs438c7?Battle-Medicine-post-errata-v2#202020-11-10T22:47:19Z2020-11-10T16:47:56Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">CrystalSeas wrote:</div><blockquote><p> How relevant this is, IDK, but Paizo has been stressing that the BB does not have any rules that are different from the CRB. </p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Beginner Box Hero's Handbook, pg 24 wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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In the Cleric chapter, 2nd-Level Cleric Class Features</p>
<p>Battle Medicine
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You know how to quickly heal your allies with Medicine. Write "Battle Medicine" in the Level 2 box in the Class section of your character sheet.</p>
<p>Battle Medicine [reaction]
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You can patch up wounds with your healer's tools and a free hand. Attempt a DC 15 Medicine check to heal yourself or an ally for 2d8 Hit Points. If you become an expert in Medicine, you can instead attempt a DC 20 Medicine check to heal for 2d8+10 Hit Points. You can heal a particular person only once each day with Battle Medicine. </blockquote></blockquote><p>Oh, that would be a nice sensible way to do. Too bad we have to wait for them to tell us which one is the right one.CrystalSeas wrote:How relevant this is, IDK, but Paizo has been stressing that the BB does not have any rules that are different from the CRB.
Beginner Box Hero's Handbook, pg 24 wrote:
In the Cleric chapter, 2nd-Level Cleric Class FeaturesBattle Medicine
You know how to quickly heal your allies with Medicine. Write "Battle Medicine" in the Level 2 box in the Class section of your character sheet.
Battle Medicine [reaction]
You can patch up wounds with your healer's tools and a free hand....Angel Hunter D2020-11-10T16:47:56ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: Battle Medicine post errata v2Grumpus (RPG Superstar 2014 Top 32)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs438c7?Battle-Medicine-post-errata-v2#192020-11-10T22:47:17Z2020-11-10T16:47:31Z<p>The Beginner Box is different, because that shows BM as a reaction, while in the CRB it is an action.</p>The Beginner Box is different, because that shows BM as a reaction, while in the CRB it is an action.Grumpus (RPG Superstar 2014 Top 32)2020-11-10T16:47:31ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: Battle Medicine post errata v2CrystalSeashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs438c7?Battle-Medicine-post-errata-v2#182020-11-10T17:29:34Z2020-11-10T16:40:38Z<p>How relevant this is, IDK, but Paizo has been stressing that the BB does not have any rules that are different from the CRB. </p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Beginner Box Hero's Handbook, pg 24 wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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In the Cleric chapter, 2nd-Level Cleric Class Features</p>
<p>Battle Medicine
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You know how to quickly heal your allies with Medicine. Write "Battle Medicine" in the Level 2 box in the Class section of your character sheet.</p>
<p>Battle Medicine [reaction]
<br />
You can patch up wounds with your healer's tools and a free hand. Attempt a DC 15 Medicine check to heal yourself or an ally for 2d8 Hit Points. If you become an expert in Medicine, you can instead attempt a DC 20 Medicine check to heal for 2d8+10 Hit Points. You can heal a particular person only once each day with Battle Medicine. </blockquote><p>How relevant this is, IDK, but Paizo has been stressing that the BB does not have any rules that are different from the CRB.
Beginner Box Hero's Handbook, pg 24 wrote:In the Cleric chapter, 2nd-Level Cleric Class FeaturesBattle Medicine
You know how to quickly heal your allies with Medicine. Write "Battle Medicine" in the Level 2 box in the Class section of your character sheet.
Battle Medicine [reaction]
You can patch up wounds with your healer's tools and a free hand. Attempt a DC 15...CrystalSeas2020-11-10T16:40:38ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: Battle Medicine post errata v2pauljathomehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs438c7?Battle-Medicine-post-errata-v2#172020-11-13T10:44:14Z2020-11-10T16:24:51Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Sebastian Hirsch wrote:</div><blockquote> I would really prefer the designers to actually give us some examples who characters with different setups use Battle Medicine, that can't be too much to ask. </blockquote><p>I would really prefer that the designers use the same words in the errata as well as in the updated CRB.
<p>But that seems too much to ask.</p>
<p>Or, at least, tell us which is correct when they differ :-). Maybe, just maybe, that is NOT too much to ask.</p>Sebastian Hirsch wrote:I would really prefer the designers to actually give us some examples who characters with different setups use Battle Medicine, that can't be too much to ask.
I would really prefer that the designers use the same words in the errata as well as in the updated CRB. But that seems too much to ask.
Or, at least, tell us which is correct when they differ :-). Maybe, just maybe, that is NOT too much to ask.pauljathome2020-11-10T16:24:51ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: Battle Medicine post errata v2Angel Hunter Dhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs438c7?Battle-Medicine-post-errata-v2#162020-11-11T08:12:00Z2020-11-10T15:54:16Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Sebastian Hirsch wrote:</div><blockquote> I would really prefer the designers to actually give us some examples who characters with different setups use Battle Medicine, that can't be too much to ask. </blockquote><p>You'd think so, but common opinion on here is that it is.Sebastian Hirsch wrote:I would really prefer the designers to actually give us some examples who characters with different setups use Battle Medicine, that can't be too much to ask.
You'd think so, but common opinion on here is that it is.Angel Hunter D2020-11-10T15:54:16Z