Sorry I have been out for 3 years, and my Learning challenges is making things hard for me to comprehend....So a lot of questions I have are probably somewhat basic, and I am sorry for that...
So I made a thread for the simple questions, so I don't clutter
Can you apply the "Intensify" Metamagic Feat to Magic Missiles to get more missiles (after level 9)?
No, intensify increases the number of damage dice by 5 levels, magic missile has no variable to then umber of damage dice, it's always 1 per missile. Intensify does not increase the number of missiles.
Thank you.
Second question. Can an alternate racial trait be changed out a second time. This is quite possible with half elves...
Thank you.
Second question. Can an alternate racial trait be changed out a second time. This is quite possible with half elves...
Depends on what you mean.
If you mean take another alternate racial trait that replaces the same main trait, no. It's already been altered.
If you mean simply changing it to a different one, yes, using retraining rules.
If your campaign uses alternate racial traits, you can retrain a racial trait. This takes 20 nonconsecutive days and requires a trainer with the racial trait you want. The replacement trait must be an appropriate one from your racial list. The old and new racial traits must replace the same standard racial trait. For example, the magic resistant and stubborn alternate dwarven traits replace the hardy standard trait, so you can retrain one of those for the other.
neither of those is what I am talking about
an example of what I am getting at
1) Half elf takes drow magic giving up multitalentented and adaptable IIRC
2) Then half elf gives up drow magic for shade magic
then takes
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No, intensify increases the number of damage dice by 5 levels, magic missile has no variable to then umber of damage dice, it's always 1 per missile. Intensify does not increase the number of missiles.
I'm going to disagree with TxSam88. The number of missiles in magic missile are modified by the caster level. Intensified Spell feat increases the maximum caster level by 5.
Magic Missile: For every two caster levels beyond 1st, you gain an additional missile—two at 3rd level, three at 5th, four at 7th, and the maximum of five missiles at 9th level or higher.
Intensified Spell: An intensified spell increases the maximum number of damage dice by 5 levels. You must actually have sufficient caster levels to surpass the maximum in order to benefit from this feat. No other variables of the spell are affected, and spells that inflict damage that is not modified by caster level are not affected by this feat. An intensified spell uses up a spell slot one level higher than the spell's actual level.
As I read this, this would allow up to 2 additional missiles if the caster level was high enough. 1 missile at caster level 1, 2 missiles at CL 3, 3 missiles at CL 5, 4 missiles at CL 7, 5 missiles at CL 9(normal max), 6 missiles at CL 11, and 7 missiles at CL 13 (max with feat). Being CL 14 (max allowed with feat [9+5=14]) would do nothing as magic missile allows an additional missile at every odd level.
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Thank you.
Second question. Can an alternate racial trait be changed out a second time. This is quite possible with half elves...
Depends on what you mean.
If you mean take another alternate racial trait that replaces the same main trait, no. It's already been altered.
If you mean simply changing it to a different one, yes, using retraining rules.
If your campaign uses alternate racial traits, you can retrain a racial trait. This takes 20 nonconsecutive days and requires a trainer with the racial trait you want. The replacement trait must be an appropriate one from your racial list. The old and new racial traits must replace the same standard racial trait. For example, the magic resistant and stubborn alternate dwarven traits replace the hardy standard trait, so you can retrain one of those for the other.neither of those is what I am talking about
an example of what I am getting at
1) Half elf takes drow magic giving up multitalentented and adaptable IIRC
2) Then half elf gives up drow magic for shade magic
then takes
No. Shade Magic is exclusive to the Drow race. A half-elf taking the alternate racial trait Drow Magic doesn't change the character's racial type.
With that being said, I would allow it as a house rule. But this is the Rules Forum so answers have to be RAW (Rules As Written). :)
Does taking Drow heritage (Counts as drow for prereqs by giving up language choices) change the answer. The example was to explain the idea of Trait A becomes Trait B, then Trait B is traded for Trait C where Trait A cannot be changed for Trait C
Shade Magic is from the same book as Drow Heritage. Basically replaces the spells from Drow magic with other spells.
It is a Drow racial trait, here is the text
Drow with this trait can cast cloak of shadeAPG, dust of twilightAPG, and ghost sound as spell-like abilities each once per day. This racial trait replaces a drow’s normal spell-like abilities.
No, intensify increases the number of damage dice by 5 levels, magic missile has no variable to then umber of damage dice, it's always 1 per missile. Intensify does not increase the number of missiles.I'm going to disagree with TxSam88. The number of missiles in magic missile are modified by the caster level. Intensified Spell feat increases the maximum caster level by 5.
Magic Missile: For every two caster levels beyond 1st, you gain an additional missile—two at 3rd level, three at 5th, four at 7th, and the maximum of five missiles at 9th level or higher.
Intensified Spell: An intensified spell increases the maximum number of damage dice by 5 levels. You must actually have sufficient caster levels to surpass the maximum in order to benefit from this feat. No other variables of the spell are affected, and spells that inflict damage that is not modified by caster level are not affected by this feat. An intensified spell uses up a spell slot one level higher than the spell's actual level.
As I read this, this would allow up to 2 additional missiles if the caster level was high enough. 1 missile at caster level 1, 2 missiles at CL 3, 3 missiles at CL 5, 4 missiles at CL 7, 5 missiles at CL 9(normal max), 6 missiles at CL 11, and 7 missiles at CL 13 (max with feat). Being CL 14 (max allowed with feat [9+5=14]) would do nothing as magic missile allows an additional missile at every odd level.
but the higher the level of the caster for Magic Missile doesn't increase its damage dice, it increases the number of missiles cast. Otherwise that's like arguing that it would also summon more monsters if you used it on a summon spell.
Back to magic missiles, I have a trait that is -1 for metamagic feat levels
If I am level 1, I place a metamagic feat on MJagic Missile (toppling) would it still count as a level 1 spell (1+1-1=1)
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No, intensify increases the number of damage dice by 5 levels, magic missile has no variable to then umber of damage dice, it's always 1 per missile. Intensify does not increase the number of missiles.I'm going to disagree with TxSam88. The number of missiles in magic missile are modified by the caster level. Intensified Spell feat increases the maximum caster level by 5.
Magic Missile: For every two caster levels beyond 1st, you gain an additional missile—two at 3rd level, three at 5th, four at 7th, and the maximum of five missiles at 9th level or higher.
Intensified Spell: An intensified spell increases the maximum number of damage dice by 5 levels. You must actually have sufficient caster levels to surpass the maximum in order to benefit from this feat. No other variables of the spell are affected, and spells that inflict damage that is not modified by caster level are not affected by this feat. An intensified spell uses up a spell slot one level higher than the spell's actual level.
As I read this, this would allow up to 2 additional missiles if the caster level was high enough. 1 missile at caster level 1, 2 missiles at CL 3, 3 missiles at CL 5, 4 missiles at CL 7, 5 missiles at CL 9(normal max), 6 missiles at CL 11, and 7 missiles at CL 13 (max with feat). Being CL 14 (max allowed with feat [9+5=14]) would do nothing as magic missile allows an additional missile at every odd level.
Nope, Intensify is very specific in what it does, and that doesn't include giving you additional missiles: It only works with spells that specifically give you x damage dice per y levels and has a level cap built in (like Fireball and Burning Hands). Spells like Magic Missile and Scorching Ray which scale from gaining additional missiles/rays do not benefit from it, nor do spells that add flat damage per level (like Harm).
Intensified Spell feat increases the maximum caster level by 5.
No it doesn't. It "increases the maximum number of damage dice", and "No other variables of the spell are affected". Number of magic missiles fired is clearly an other variable.
1) Half elf takes drow magic giving up multitalentented and adaptable IIRC
2) Then half elf gives up drow magic for shade magic
Not legal. The character isn't a drow.
Does taking Drow heritage (Counts as drow for prereqs by giving up language choices) change the answer.
Still not a drow when it comes to racial traits. Also, the character doesn't have "normal spelllike abilities" to replace.
It's not breaking anything, so you could ask the GM to make an exception, but RAW the it's not possible.
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Nope, Intensify is very specific in what it does, and that doesn't include giving you additional missiles: It only works with spells that specifically give you x damage dice per y levels and has a level cap built in (like Fireball and Burning Hands). Spells like Magic Missile and Scorching Ray which scale from gaining additional missiles/rays do not benefit from it, nor do spells that add flat damage per level (like Harm).No, intensify increases the number of damage dice by 5 levels, magic missile has no variable to then umber of damage dice, it's always 1 per missile. Intensify does not increase the number of missiles.I'm going to disagree with TxSam88. The number of missiles in magic missile are modified by the caster level. Intensified Spell feat increases the maximum caster level by 5.
Magic Missile: For every two caster levels beyond 1st, you gain an additional missile—two at 3rd level, three at 5th, four at 7th, and the maximum of five missiles at 9th level or higher.
Intensified Spell: An intensified spell increases the maximum number of damage dice by 5 levels. You must actually have sufficient caster levels to surpass the maximum in order to benefit from this feat. No other variables of the spell are affected, and spells that inflict damage that is not modified by caster level are not affected by this feat. An intensified spell uses up a spell slot one level higher than the spell's actual level.
As I read this, this would allow up to 2 additional missiles if the caster level was high enough. 1 missile at caster level 1, 2 missiles at CL 3, 3 missiles at CL 5, 4 missiles at CL 7, 5 missiles at CL 9(normal max), 6 missiles at CL 11, and 7 missiles at CL 13 (max with feat). Being CL 14 (max allowed with feat [9+5=14]) would do nothing as magic missile allows an additional missile at every odd level.
And how is magic missile not giving you 1 missile (or 1d4+1) every 2 levels, to a maximum of 5 missiles at 9th level? How is that different than shocking grasp that gives 1d6 every 1 level, to a maximum of 5d6 at 5th level? And with scorching ray, one ray plus 1 every 4 levels to a max of 3 rays at 11th level? Is there an FAQ somewhere that I missed?
The difference, and IMO the language could go either way, is that the special effect is one source or multiple sources.
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And how is magic missile not giving you 1 missile (or 1d4+1) every 2 levels, to...Nope, Intensify is very specific in what it does, and that doesn't include giving you additional missiles: It only works with spells that specifically give you x damage dice per y levels and has a level cap built in (like Fireball and Burning Hands). Spells like Magic Missile and Scorching Ray which scale from gaining additional missiles/rays do not benefit from it, nor do spells that add flat damage per level (like Harm).No, intensify increases the number of damage dice by 5 levels, magic missile has no variable to then umber of damage dice, it's always 1 per missile. Intensify does not increase the number of missiles.I'm going to disagree with TxSam88. The number of missiles in magic missile are modified by the caster level. Intensified Spell feat increases the maximum caster level by 5.
Magic Missile: For every two caster levels beyond 1st, you gain an additional missile—two at 3rd level, three at 5th, four at 7th, and the maximum of five missiles at 9th level or higher.
Intensified Spell: An intensified spell increases the maximum number of damage dice by 5 levels. You must actually have sufficient caster levels to surpass the maximum in order to benefit from this feat. No other variables of the spell are affected, and spells that inflict damage that is not modified by caster level are not affected by this feat. An intensified spell uses up a spell slot one level higher than the spell's actual level.
As I read this, this would allow up to 2 additional missiles if the caster level was high enough. 1 missile at caster level 1, 2 missiles at CL 3, 3 missiles at CL 5, 4 missiles at CL 7, 5 missiles at CL 9(normal max), 6 missiles at CL 11, and 7 missiles at CL 13 (max with feat). Being CL 14 (max allowed with feat [9+5=14]) would do nothing as magic missile allows an additional missile at every odd level.
PF1e Forum Search for 'Intensify' + 'Missile': https://paizo.com/search?q=intensify+%2B+missile&forum=v5748dmtyzkl3.
General consensus: Magic Missile gains no benefit from the Intensify Spell feat, because that's the way the feat was written.
Is there a feat to make intimidate possible as a swift action?
Yes and no. There are feats which allow demoralize/intimidate as a swift in specific circumstances (gory finish on a kill, and at least 1 more such feat IIRC), and a trait which allows demoralize as a swift action 1/day (omen) but no feat which simply does what you say in any circumstances.
Was looking for demoralize actually not intimidate...
Was looking for demoralize actually not intimidate...
You Demoralize by using Intimidate. Unless you mean the spell Demoralize? Regardless, the feat Cornugan Smash let's you Intimidate as a free action when you hit with a Power Attack, and taking all four of the Damnation feats lets you do so as a swift and can actually increase the fear affects to higher levels.
No, intensify increases the number of damage dice by 5 levels, magic missile has no variable to then umber of damage dice, it's always 1 per missile. Intensify does not increase the number of missiles.I'm going to disagree with TxSam88. The number of missiles in magic missile are modified by the caster level. Intensified Spell feat increases the maximum caster level by 5.
Magic Missile: For every two caster levels beyond 1st, you gain an additional missile—two at 3rd level, three at 5th, four at 7th, and the maximum of five missiles at 9th level or higher.
Intensified Spell: An intensified spell increases the maximum number of damage dice by 5 levels. You must actually have sufficient caster levels to surpass the maximum in order to benefit from this feat. No other variables of the spell are affected, and spells that inflict damage that is not modified by caster level are not affected by this feat. An intensified spell uses up a spell slot one level higher than the spell's actual level.
As I read this, this would allow up to 2 additional missiles if the caster level was high enough. 1 missile at caster level 1, 2 missiles at CL 3, 3 missiles at CL 5, 4 missiles at CL 7, 5 missiles at CL 9(normal max), 6 missiles at CL 11, and 7 missiles at CL 13 (max with feat). Being CL 14 (max allowed with feat [9+5=14]) would do nothing as magic missile allows an additional missile at every odd level.
You are confusing number of dice with number of missiles. Fireball has dice based on levels, Intensify would increase it's number of dice. Magic Missile has a single dice per missile, with the number of missile limited by level. since intensify does not increase anything other than the number of dice, and the dice per missile is not variable, intensify has no effect on Magic Missile.
Back to magic missiles, I have a trait that is -1 for metamagic feat levels
If I am level 1, I place a metamagic feat on MJagic Missile (toppling) would it still count as a level 1 spell (1+1-1=1)
yep, this trick is the big one for the Magus Build. Magical Lineage (Shocking Grasp) + Intensified spell (Shocking Grasp) = 10d6 shocking grasps at 10th level (as a 1st level spell) as part of an attack, and gets +3 to hit against metal armor. Get Ring Of Wizardry (1st level) and suddenly you can hand out shocking grasps all day long.