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Element(s) universal; Type form infusion; Level 1; Burn 1
Associated Blasts any
Saving Throw noneYou form a weapon using your kinetic abilities. You create a nonreach, light or one-handed weapon in your hand formed of pure energy or elemental matter. (If you're a telekineticist, you instead transfer the power of your kinetic blast to any object held in one hand.) The kinetic blade's shape is purely cosmetic and doesn't affect the damage dice, critical threat range, or critical multiplier of the kinetic blade, nor does it grant the kinetic blade any weapon special features. The object held by a telekineticist for this form infusion doesn't prevent her from using gather power.
You can use this form infusion once as part of an attack action, a charge action, or a full-attack action in order to make melee attacks with your kinetic blade. Since it's part of another action (and isn't an action itself), using this wild talent doesn't provoke any additional attacks of opportunity. The kinetic blade deals your kinetic blast damage on each hit (applying any modifiers to your kinetic blast's damage as normal, but not your Strength modifier). The blade disappears at the end of your turn. The weapon deals the same damage type that your kinetic blast deals, and it interacts with Armor Class and spell resistance as normal for a blast of its type. Even if a telekineticist uses this power on a magic weapon or another unusual object, the attack doesn't use any of the magic weapon's bonuses or effects and simply deals the telekineticist's blast damage. The kinetic blade doesn't add the damage bonus from elemental overflow.
Haste would work.
Here's Mark Seifter's answer to that question: link.
Mark's position: Strictly speaking the RAW is unclear, but the same RAW issues apply to (say) unarmed strikes, which everyone thinks Haste should apply to. And it was intended to work.
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Here's Mark Seifter's answer to that question: link.
Mark's position: Strictly speaking the RAW is unclear, but the same RAW issues apply to (say) unarmed strikes, which everyone thinks Haste should apply to. And it was intended to work.
Ah, Thankies!
I don't know a lot about PFS, but if the RAW is ambiguous, then doesn't that mean it's up to the DM?...
And if you show the DM Mark's post, I would think that would get the DM to agree to let Haste work 99% of the time...
But I could just be displaying my ignorance of how PFS works!
If they want to do Unchained 2, "Unchained Haste" would be a good call. Enough issues with Haste have cropped up in 7 years that it could use a rewrite. Even if there is an unambiguous conclusion for a given Haste issue, it's often not simple to suss out (or an FAQ will just change it, c.f. the Spell Combat and Haste FAQ).
It's an iconic and powerful spell, so this isn't going to stop happening. This is particularly irksome with the Kineticist since it essentially gets Haste in class (the Celerity wild talent) but apparently cannot make use of it?
With the minor exceptions of Flame Blade and Produce Flame, I think. Maybe Chill Touch.
Can I suggest just sidestepping the whole haste problem by using blessing of fervor? Because blessing of fervor doesn't seem to care about manufactured weapon/natural weapon technicalities.
Problem is the Kineticist cannot cast blessing of fervor.
The Kineticist potentially can, however "cast"
This acts as haste except it lasts for 1 round. You can accept 1 point of burn to increase the duration to 1 round per kineticist level you possess.
So I think addressing haste for Kinetic Blades/Whips/Fists is of particular interest to the kineticist.
Good points, both of you.
Hang on.İf ı am a telekineticist and lets say ı am holding a dagger.I cast kinetic blade upon my dagger.Can ı make addtional atack with haste?I am holding a manufactured weapon it just has kinetic blade on it.
This is actually a discrepancy I brought up in the errata/FAQ request thread linked above. An aether kineticist gets full haste benefit because they infuse their kinetic blast into a weapon and that weapon would benefit from the extra attack. This causes a scenario where kinetic blade sometimes benefits from haste but other times doesn't.
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Hang on.İf ı am a telekineticist and lets say ı am holding a dagger.I cast kinetic blade upon my dagger.Can ı make addtional atack with haste?I am holding a manufactured weapon it just has kinetic blade on it.This is actually a discrepancy I brought up in the errata/FAQ request thread linked above. An aether kineticist gets full haste benefit because they infuse their kinetic blast into a weapon and that weapon would benefit from the extra attack. This causes a scenario where kinetic blade sometimes benefits from haste but other times doesn't.
Well as long as it effects my TK and ı get my extra atack which was a design goal if my memory is correct not my concern realy.I just care if it is pfs legal or not.
EDİT:Long story short.Design team will not release a faq until this becomes an issue for a lot of people which in this case it is not.So ı just dont want to wait until end of time or several years.
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Hang on.İf ı am a telekineticist and lets say ı am holding a dagger.I cast kinetic blade upon my dagger.Can ı make addtional atack with haste?I am holding a manufactured weapon it just has kinetic blade on it.This is actually a discrepancy I brought up in the errata/FAQ request thread linked above. An aether kineticist gets full haste benefit because they infuse their kinetic blast into a weapon and that weapon would benefit from the extra attack. This causes a scenario where kinetic blade sometimes benefits from haste but other times doesn't.Well as long as it effects my TK and ı get my extra atack which was a design goal if my memory is correct not my concern realy.I just care if it is pfs legal or not.
EDİT:Long story short.Design team will not release a faq until this becomes an issue for a lot of people which in this case it is not.So ı just dont want to wait until end of time or several years.
They release a FAQ it enough people bring attention to it.
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They release a FAQ it enough people bring attention to it.Hang on.İf ı am a telekineticist and lets say ı am holding a dagger.I cast kinetic blade upon my dagger.Can ı make addtional atack with haste?I am holding a manufactured weapon it just has kinetic blade on it.This is actually a discrepancy I brought up in the errata/FAQ request thread linked above. An aether kineticist gets full haste benefit because they infuse their kinetic blast into a weapon and that weapon would benefit from the extra attack. This causes a scenario where kinetic blade sometimes benefits from haste but other times doesn't.Well as long as it effects my TK and ı get my extra atack which was a design goal if my memory is correct not my concern realy.I just care if it is pfs legal or not.
EDİT:Long story short.Design team will not release a faq until this becomes an issue for a lot of people which in this case it is not.So ı just dont want to wait until end of time or several years.
By enough people how many people do you mean?I have seen some people talking about 50 pages of complaints and then pazio changes something in their game.
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So, an Aether Kineticist is fine because he's actually wielding a manufactured weapon (what if he's wielding a manufactured Teacup however ?)
But an Earth Kineticist (yeah, I could call him Geo, but then I would have to do the same for Aether) who's actually pulling a big slab of metal to swing it at his enemies, doesn't get Haste ?Now, I know there is Ride the Blast that works for all blasts except telekinetic, but I really don't see an errata on Kinetic Blade that says: Doesn't work with Haste except for telekinetic blasts
My good man are you trying to use logic in pathfinder?İt doesnt matter what kinetic blade says.Haste states that in only works with manufactured or natural weapon and in telekineticist case you can hold a manufactured weapon.Only difference is you holding the weapon with a kinetic blast on it.
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I couldnt edit my post.Apperently you cant do that after an hour pasts.So idea behind haste working with telekinetic blast came from you recive the haste not the weapon.So with a kinetic blade+any manufactured weapon you should be able to use it since text from blade only prevents you from using your weapons enchants or other effects.Probably not force blast though text only refers to you being a telekineticist.Not your blast type.So by stupid logic to make it pfs legal.İt even works with force blast+disintigrating infusion.