WandaVision on Disney+

[DeathQuaker]

Personal life has kept me from much online conversation of late but now that I am here, some thoughts on the last couple eps:

Overall, I feel like this is getting better and better. Even as questions are answered, more are coming up. I am enjoying the cast and love seeing some of the side characters from the movies get some love. Really enjoying Monica and looking forward to more of her in the MCU.

Spoilers and Speculation:

Despite's Monica's declaration that "it's all Wanda," I don't think that's true. Wanda is very definitely influencing things strongly here, and there are some things under her control or influence, but I don't think it's all her. As she mentioned this episode, she doesn't remember how she got there--and this ties into the first episode where she very much seems to be unable to answer certain questions, not just because it's a farce but because she really doesn't know some of the answers to them. I believe Wanda when she said she didn't make the doorbell ring, among other events that clearly caught her by surprise. I don't deny she is clearly trying to control things as well as live out her fantasy with Vision, but there is more going on than just "Wanda decided to make her own pocket reality to live out her fantasy with Vision."

Agnes and Dottie are key persons of interest. They are the two who have not been identified by SWORD. Agnes seems to be too aware of what is going on--other people, like Norm, seem totally brainwashed, but Agnes seems to be in on "what's in the script" and is trying to enforce sticking to it in a way that indicates she has some degree of agency, but I still can't tell if she is good guy or bad guy (especially since in the trailers she asks Vision for help). This episode I was wondering if she was trying to force Wanda to resurrect the dog, and instead Wanda opted for the "sitcom cliche" that was also the right reaction. (Of course that is drawing in the morality of is it right she is trying to resurrect Vision, but of course in terms of her capacity, the ability to power a synthezoid's consciousness that was powered by the very thing that gives HER power is very different from resurrecting a living being.)

Dottie meanwhile was described by Agnes as "the key to everything that goes on in this town," and also seems to resist Wanda's influence to some degree, and she is the one that gets everyone to scary-rote-repeat "for the children" in ep 2. Also the MCU has taught us you should never trust a blonde next door neighbor named Dottie. (Finally, meta wise, apparently Kevin Feige needed to approve Emma Caulfield's casting for her so that means she's probably playing some major Marvel character.) I suspect Dottie is the villain or villain connected. Agnes could be either/or.

I have a theory Wanda came here, perhaps to hide with Vision's body or perhaps as part of her investigation of why he had been taken and dissected, and got caught up in something else that she now can't remember. I have a feeling as much as she's trying to take control of the place, it isn't hers to control and perhaps she thinks, at least, she is actually helping people by doing what she's doing by trying to take over.

One of my outstanding questions is why there is a broadcast at all. While it feeds into the idea of living out a tv fantasy, it seems to some extent a "cry for help" but is it from Wanda or someone else?

I'm wondering who Monica's astro-engineer is. Many are speculating Reed Richards or Rhodey. I'm wondering if its her Skrull friend from her childhood.

Sad about Maria's death. I hope, since Captain Marvel arrived on Earth after the decimation, she checked on Maria--and indeed that might be why she joined the Avengers; she clearly seemed to have some degree of cameraderie with Nat in Endgame which suggests she stayed on Earth for a bit before returning to the universe (and indeed she might have fled back to the outer galaxy after Maria died). But Monica seems a little bitter about her, and probably feels abandoned by her.

I'm disappointed Hayward appears to be Marvel's stock "director of an official organization who is narrowminded, trigger happy, and incompetent." We've seen this character 3,423,135 times in the MCU and it's time for a new one.

"Pietro"s appearance is fascinating. I absolutely do not think Wanda made him/brought him. I'm wondering if the kids did, maybe drawing him over from another universe? Or if he's the missing dude in Witness Protection that Woo is looking for.

Looking forward to what happens next.

[Thomas Seitz]

Honestly the ending to me showcases the fact the MCU has a greater Multiverse than initially expected. But I think we need more info/ ie more episodes to see what the REALLY big picture is.

I also agree with DQ, there's more going on than just "Wanda's in charge." For one thing, it seems there might be TWO Wandas.

[Aberzombie]

I thought this was a good balance between Inside and Outside (the anomaly). Some notes and thoughts:

Spoiler:

Agnes seems to be both aware of what's going on and not completely under control. Which was different from Norm, who seemed unaware of something wrong until "woken up".

It also seems clear that, while Vision is unaware of the truth, he's also definitely not under control. And he has a certain degree of power over what's going, as when he work Norm up, then put him back under again. After last weeks episode, when Wanda briefly saw him as Visionzombie, I wondered if she were fully animating and controlling him. Now I think she's either simply providing him power, or found a way to turn him back on.

I'm wondering if the twins have a degree of dependence. I got the impression they do, as when they aged themselves. Which makes me think maybe they'll go the original comic book route, where they were pieces of Mephisto's essence given form and substance by her power. That, plus the appearance of the surprise guest star, would certainly be enough to draw the attention of Doctor Strange (which they've said this series would lead into).

Speaking of Pietro.....in the words of Keanu - WHOA! Now I'm guessing this will be part of the path they take to introducing the X-universe into the mainstream MCU.

Though I thought it started off kind of meh and slow, the show is really picking up the pace and setting up the post-Endgame MCU far better than the second Spidey movie did.

[JoelF847]

Aberzombie wrote:

Though I thought it started off kind of meh and slow, the show is really picking up the pace and setting up the post-Endgame MCU far better than the second Spidey movie did.

I always thought of the second Spidey movie as more of an epilog to phase 3, rather than the start of phase 4.

[Set]

DeathQuaker wrote:

Spoiler:

Dottie meanwhile was described by Agnes as "the key to everything that goes on in this town," and also seems to resist Wanda's influence to some degree, and she is the one that gets everyone to scary-rote-repeat "for the children" in ep 2.

Spoiler:

This part makes me think that this entire 'anomaly' was intended 'for the children' and that, as Vision points out, there are no children in Westview, other than Billy and Tommy. Something is trying to come into this world perhaps, and having these new bodies created for it to inhabit? Scary for Billy and Tommy, who surely don't want to be hosts for Chthon or Nightmare or Mephisto or whatever is trying to slouch their way towards Bethlehem!

[dirtypool]

It looks like Marvel has already begun working on a pitch for a Jimmy Woo investigative series. The X-Files meets the MCU tone would be absolutely perfect for a Disney+ series.

[Quark Blast]

Quark Blast wrote:

Given that Ep 4 here explains all of the in-sitcom quirks from Eps 1-3, I'd say they aren't likely to emulate a 1980's sitcom next.

I would prefer that they do, but once the 4th wall has been breached there's markedly less creative room available to make it interesting. Something weird happens and I'll think, "Ah there's the curtain again", instead of "Whoa, need to file that for later reference".

So technically episode 5 is '80s sitcomish - Internet says blandly generic take on something called Family Ties - but, consistent with my previous point, there's no coherent plot within the "sitcom's" 4th wall. That is, all the trappings are present for an '80s sitcom but the story line, even within the nominal TV show, isn't really coherent. It's not a complete episode. Not even halfway.

It also seems the show is still unpacking things from prior episodes. Whatever is happening in the Hexagon, it seems to revolve around the twins, a theme hinted at during the gazebo luncheon of episode 2.

The big reveal at the end of episode 5 not only breaks through the '80s sitcom 4th wall but the 4th wall of WandaVision too, since it (like some of the convo at the SWORD command center) is riffing off issues of intellectual property wrangling between entertainment companies over decades past.

[Purple Dragon Knight]

O_O
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Spoiler:

Hells yes!!!!

[Thomas Seitz]

I'm still wondering if there aren't two Wandas...and one of them might be Mephisto. :p :)

[Quark Blast]

Thomas Seitz wrote:

I'm still wondering if there aren't two Wandas...and one of them might be Mephisto. :p :)

Well she did have glowing red eyes!

:o

[Vidmaster7]

I mean she is the Scarlett Witch. Red eyes are kind of her thing.

[Quark Blast]

Vidmaster7 wrote:

I mean she is the Scarlett Witch. Red eyes are kind of her thing.

Oh, I always thought it was the handfuls of red witchy-fire that she was named after, with maybe the red hair and scarlet accouterments as a reinforcement to that.

What with the eyes being 'a window into the soul' broadcasting an indication that she may not be what she seems at first glance.

I mean, comics are known for their subtlety, right? Right Radioactiveman?

[Set]

Quark Blast wrote:

Vidmaster7 wrote:

I mean she is the Scarlett Witch. Red eyes are kind of her thing.

Oh, I always thought it was the handfuls of red witchy-fire that she was named after, with maybe the red hair and scarlet accouterments as a reinforcement to that.

In the comics, she was a brunette (usually, there have been some inconsistencies over the years), but yes, did wear a crapload of red stuff!

And her hexes, despite a visible graphic for the convenience of the reader, were occasionally used subtly, without anyone on-panel noticing (until they had 'inexplicable' bad luck!), so apparently the 'red stuff' wasn't visible 'in-universe,' just like Jean Grey's pink taffy telekinesis or the blue circles radiating out from Professor Xavier's head when he used telepathy. :)

[thejeff]

Set wrote:

Quark Blast wrote:

Vidmaster7 wrote:

I mean she is the Scarlett Witch. Red eyes are kind of her thing.

Oh, I always thought it was the handfuls of red witchy-fire that she was named after, with maybe the red hair and scarlet accouterments as a reinforcement to that.

In the comics, she was a brunette (usually, there have been some inconsistencies over the years), but yes, did wear a crapload of red stuff!

And her hexes, despite a visible graphic for the convenience of the reader, were occasionally used subtly, without anyone on-panel noticing (until they had 'inexplicable' bad luck!), so apparently the 'red stuff' wasn't visible 'in-universe,' just like Jean Grey's pink taffy telekinesis or the blue circles radiating out from Professor Xavier's head when he used telepathy. :)

Just to further the confusion, in her first couple appearances she was wearing green. It wasn't clear at all why she was called "scarlet".

[DeathQuaker]

Wanda's eyes glowed red in Endgame when she was beating the crap out of Thanos. They also did in Infinity War when she stopped the big rolling-blade thingies in Wakanda, and probably in other places. I believe it is an indicator for when she is drawing strongly upon her power.

Although interestingly, this show has made a point that she's never actually been named the "Scarlet Witch" in the MCU. Which may or may not be rectified by the series end.

As an aside, speaking of Endgame, it was interesting to hear Darcy, Jimmy, and Monica talk about the final battle in Endgame, as though they also got to see the movie. Metanarratively, it's simply convenient to have them all be aware of those events, but it's interesting they know such details--everybody might know that aliens attacked the Avengers Compound, but they knew the specific play-by-play. While each of those character knows an Avenger, it doesn't seem likely they each heard from that Avenger (I don't think Scott keeps in touch with Jimmy; Thor left almost right away; and Monica's reaction suggests Carol didn't stick around on Earth after Tony's funeral). Is there recorded footage of the event in the MCU? Was it disclosed officially by an Avengers rep (or perhaps by Wakanda, since its army participated in the battle, and for diplomatic reasons they might have to state why they enjoined combat on American soil)? I believe the show takes place only a few weeks after said battle (with Monica only just being back) so they seem to be looped in on exactly what happened quite quickly.

[Set]

DeathQuaker wrote:

As an aside, speaking of Endgame, it was interesting to hear Darcy, Jimmy, and Monica talk about the final battle in Endgame, as though they also got to see the movie. Metanarratively, it's simply convenient to have them all be aware of those events, but it's interesting they know such details--everybody might know that aliens attacked the Avengers Compound, but they knew the specific play-by-play. While each of those character knows an Avenger, it doesn't seem likely they each heard from that Avenger (I don't think Scott keeps in touch with Jimmy; Thor left almost right away; and Monica's reaction suggests Carol didn't stick around on Earth after Tony's funeral). Is there recorded footage of the event in the MCU? Was it disclosed officially by an Avengers rep (or perhaps by Wakanda, since its army participated in the battle, and for diplomatic reasons they might have to state why they enjoined combat on American soil)? I believe the show takes place only a few weeks after said battle (with Monica only just being back) so they seem to be looped in on exactly what happened quite quickly.

It is annoying when characters in a follow up movie mention stuff they couldn't possibly have known unless they had watched the previous movie. :)

In this case, I could rationalize it as Rhodey, in particular, being a by-the-book sort who would faithfully hand over suit recordings of the action to the military/intelligence community. He's shown some attitude most recently, but still has generally been the most 'on the same page' with the government/military, which fits given his position and rank.

[Sara Marie]

Would anyone mind if I added "contains spoilers" to the thread title so that episode discussion doesn't have to be under spoiler tags?

I'm game for whatever is preferred for folks. I'm mostly just trying to figure out the best way to have these conversations on the forums.

[JoelF847]

Sara Marie wrote:

Would anyone mind if I added "contains spoilers" to the thread title so that episode discussion doesn't have to be under spoiler tags?

I'm game for whatever is preferred for folks. I'm mostly just trying to figure out the best way to have these conversations on the forums.

Sara, I'd think adding "contains spoilers" to the forum section for TV and movies as a whole, otherwise, every single thread in them would all have the "contains spoilers", and just add clutter. Also, something to consider is that most of these threads start when a project is announced, or when a trailer is released. They don't contain spoilers then. Once the show or movie itself is released, then they become threads which contain spoilers.

[Thomas Seitz]

Sorry Sara....

Also anyone else want a Jimmy Woo and Darcy type X-files show that might lead to Agents of Atlas?

[dirtypool]

Thomas Seitz wrote:

Sorry Sara....

Also anyone else want a Jimmy Woo and Darcy type X-files show that might lead to Agents of Atlas?

Absolutely

[Sara Marie]

Thomas Seitz wrote:

Sorry Sara....

Also anyone else want a Jimmy Woo and Darcy type X-files show that might lead to Agents of Atlas?

No apologies needed, I was just pondering the best way to have these kinds of threads.

I would love a Jimmy/Darcy mystery investigation show!

[JoelF847]

Thomas Seitz wrote:

Sorry Sara....

Also anyone else want a Jimmy Woo and Darcy type X-files show that might lead to Agents of Atlas?

I'd love that too. While I'm not familiar with Agents of Atlas, I'd definitely like a show like that to fill the promise that Agents of Shield show had, but only sometimes executed on, with the TV/movie chasm. Having a Jimmy/Darcy investigative show where they actually followed up on things which tied to the movies (or now with D+ MCU shows as well) and could have sensical crossovers with some of the other MCU characters would be great.

And by season 2 having Deadpool show up for an episode would be a lot of fun as well.

[Quark Blast]

FWIW - I just assume spoilers because.... Internet. Right?

Tags:

are nice, until the thread votes it doesn't need them, seems the usual practice and it works fine by me.

[DeathQuaker]

I don't mind a "may contain spoilers tag" although for the most part folks seem to be good about putting the truly mind blowing reveals behind tags. Still, changing the thread title isn't going to hurt our conversation any, and might help someone else.

[Mark Hoover 330]

JoelF847 wrote:

Thomas Seitz wrote:

Sorry Sara....

Also anyone else want a Jimmy Woo and Darcy type X-files show that might lead to Agents of Atlas?

I'd love that too. While I'm not familiar with Agents of Atlas, I'd definitely like a show like that to fill the promise that Agents of Shield show had, but only sometimes executed on, with the TV/movie chasm. Having a Jimmy/Darcy investigative show where they actually followed up on things which tied to the movies (or now with D+ MCU shows as well) and could have sensical crossovers with some of the other MCU characters would be great.

And by season 2 having Deadpool show up for an episode would be a lot of fun as well.

Only if Deadpool refers to himself as Berg and remarks how he misses when the show also involved a pizza place. :)

[dirtypool]

Mark Hoover 330 wrote:

Only if Deadpool refers to himself as Berg and remarks how he misses when the show also involved a pizza place. :)

Ah, gotta love a reference to Two Guys...

[Mark Hoover 330]

I'd like to see a Darcy and Jimmy show, X-Files style, investigating the MCU. Then again, I'd love to see a show around Damage Inc to play off the humor of the 90's mini-series from Marvel; I'd love to see the multiverse expand to include Mojo's World from the X-Men comics; I always thought Arcade could go from a kind of inside joke in the comics to being a really cool anti-hero like Loki in TV-Land.

How about a Werewolf-by-night show? Ghost Rider almost had one, Moon Knight gets one... why not John Jameson? Heck, how about a mundane show about the Daily Bugle? You could focus on Ben Urich and all his run ins with street-level heroes.

Lastly, back to Wandavision… Monica Rambeau is yet another thing in this show that is aging me. "Back in MY day..." she went by Captain Marvel and had cosmic energy powers. I see all over the internet fans of the show are hoping she'll turn into someone called "Photon."

A google search and wiki page later reveals Monica has had like, what... 4 or 5 different super hero names? she's been Captain Marvel, just Monica Rambeau, Photon, Pulsar, Spectrum... anything else I'm missing?

[Nightfall]

Mark,

Regarding Monica's "codename" she's currently Spectrum. But nothing else so far that I'm aware of. (Honestly not sure I want her back to Photon when Spectrum is kind of more a) on point and b) cooler)

Also Mark I'm not sure I'm ready for Arcade mostly because after the events involving a bunch of young people, he's become less of a joke character. Some times.

Thirdly, I prefer Jack Russell rather than John Jameson. But the return of Ben Ulrich would be nice

[GM PDK]

Thomas Seitz wrote:

Sorry Sara....

Also anyone else want a Jimmy Woo and Darcy type X-files show that might lead to Agents of Atlas?

Bad Thomas bad! this is Disney Marvel now... think superheroes and less Janitors of Shield! ;)

[Rysky]

Jimmy Woo and Darcy are Marvel characters, they're not forced to only make superhero stuff.

[Thomas Seitz]

Also Agents of Atlas can be super heroes... Just not the Avengers mode type.

[DeathQuaker]

As a huge fan of "street level" and "agent level" stories in superheroic worlds, I am all for a Darcy and Jimmy spin off--which apparently there has been an official pitch for already.

I'm always very interested in humans and merely near-humans in over their heads trying to figure out how to deal with a cosmic threat and do so with cleverness and bravery, and eight times out of ten I'd rather watch that kind of story than watch some invincible flying brick merely blink at it and turn it to dust. Which might be why I am really liking this show, come to think of it. (And yet the "cosmic threat," which is Wanda and whatever lured her here, is also really interesting for the human angle of her suffering.)

Mind you, it is totally also fun watching the flying bricks smash things to bits too. I am grateful that both types of stories, and more, are possible.

And of course the wonderful thing about this universe being so rich in shows and movies is one can skip the ones have zero interest in. Like I know many folks are totally jazzed about the Eternals and that one I am going to take a big nap through. I know on the other hand, I'm excited to see Black Widow's movie (if it ever sees the light of day), but others don't care for her. Different strokes for different folks. Everybody gets something they like.

My new theory:

Spoiler:

Deadpool is writing the script for all the sit-com episodes. Only he knows this much pop culture.

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This episode needed to be so much longer. So much happened and yet I felt like, "wait, that was it?" Just in terms of simply wanting more.

Our new guest star seems to know a LOT, which could make him really friendly or really unfriendly. Although I'm going to wager friendly for now. I'm thinking Agnes is also more of a friendly at this point, but still a wildcard.

[GM PDK]

I'm against street-level only stuff for Marvel at this point. Agents of SHIELD was frankly a mess, especially the last few seasons. Lots unused SHIELD canon stuff and the alternate characters created missed the mark on several fronts.

The current mix we have in Wandavision is the perfect balance IMO. You have the powered folk shaking things up and the non-powered SWORD, SHIELD, etc. supporting the narrative and making it believable for live action. There's been more than enough non-powered, street only focus so far IMO. Even the superhero shows on Netflix, Inhumans, and many more were too street-level for my taste, the (previously) by-product of limited budgets and limited FX/CGI capacity.

With Wandavision we now see the true power of Disney behind every Marvel show. Every scene has a FX/CGI component: the sky is the limit.

For street-level stuff there are countless of other shows out there to scratch that itch. Even DC's Pennnyworth is really, really well done for the genre.

Now, for Marvel, bring on Squirrel Girl, Moonknight, and the Mojoverse already! :)

PS: at least after the last two episodes we now know that...

Spoiler:

...the Young Avengers are coming to a screen near you! ;)

Tommy, meet Tommy
Billy, meet Billy

Even their Halloween costumes and powers were bang on! :)

[dirtypool]

Metatextual Reference:

I love that in the scene where Wanda discusses the two Pietro’s with Pietro she name drops “Kick-Ass” - the movie where both actors who play Pietro worked together.

[GM PDK]

dirtypool wrote:

** spoiler omitted **

That was absolutely awesome. I'm loving this crossing of realities of a whole lot right now... gimme a comic book type multiversial retcon anytime! as long as it's done right like this, keep taking my money!

[Thomas Seitz]

The fourth wall isn't broken so much as it is being used ironically and for the benefit of the fans. :)

[Aberzombie]

Finally got around to watching the new episode. I feel the show keeps improving as they move further away from the pure faux sitcom. As they delve deeper into everything, I'm fascinated to see where the overarching story (with regard to the entire MCU) is going.

I loved Jimmy as man of action. He's one of my new favorite MCU characters. I liked the hint of potential future powers for Monica. I continue to like this expansion of Darcy beyond plucky side kick.

My only real problem is....Someone other than SWORD (Avengers or Doc Strange) should have noticed this s##@ by now. Unless, of course, something more powerful is keeping them ignorant.

[JoelF847]

Aberzombie wrote:

My only real problem is....Someone other than SWORD (Avengers or Doc Strange) should have noticed this s#+! by now. Unless, of course, something more powerful is keeping them ignorant.

Don't underestimate them being busy with other threats. Plus, I'm still expecting Doctor Strange to appear at the end of the final episode to set up Wands joining him in Multiverse of Magic, so it could be he does notice it, just not until episode 9 (or possibly earlier, but is doing research magically before jumping in head first).

We can also assume that Bucky and Falcon are busy with Zemo in their series, Hawkeye is busy with whatever's going on in his series, Bruce Banner could be busy with his cousin, etc.

[Thomas Seitz]

Yeah just because Wanda's thing is kind of world ending doesn't mean everyone is going to notice.

Plus the fact until just now, it was contained to a smallish part of NJ. I mean who notices NJ??

[Werthead]

I think canonically this is taking place months before SPIDER-MAN: FAR FROM HOME*, so SPOILER ALERT, it appears that Earth survives whatever goes down, and the devastation of New Jersey is insufficient to attract Spider-Man's notice (although if it's west or south of the Hudson, maybe that's outside his area?).

* "We're calling this movie Far From Home." "Well, in the last two movies he went to space, to the planet Titan. Where's further than that?" "Europe." "Okay."

[dirtypool]

Werthead wrote:

* "We're calling this movie Far From Home." "Well, in the last two movies he went to space, to the planet Titan. Where's further than that?" "Europe." "Okay."

I mean, it was meant as a metaphorical "Far From Home" to indicate that while Peter had been snapped back into existence he was still miles away from being able to return to his normal life.

[Mark Hoover 330]

Was anyone else but me sad they didn't work in a nod to American Horror Story here? I mean, you've got EP, its a Halloween episode, Wandavision is already treading on the edge of horror anyway, it felt like this should'a been a gimmie. Still, Disney doesn't own that show so maybe that's why it didn't come up.

Yeah Fitchless Zombie, I was wondering the same thing. Like, the first few episodes the field was pretty static but you gotta figure there's satellites that may have glimpsed things by now, other gov't agencies that SWORD would likely have to deal with, relatives of the people of Westview... you mean to tell me that the Big Bad behind the curtain of all of this is keeping the entire world in the dark about the anomaly?

[BigNorseWolf]

Given that everyone in the anomaly is safe and alive it probably ranks down dr. stranges list of things to do. Yeah fine they're being tortured mentally he'll wipe that after he does his laundry....

[dirtypool]

Aberzombie wrote:

My only real problem is....Someone other than SWORD (Avengers or Doc Strange) should have noticed this s@&~ by now. Unless, of course, something more powerful is keeping them ignorant.

It is only three weeks or so after half of the population that vanished 5 years ago suddenly re-appeared while an alien invasion happened over upstate New York.

I think it'd be understandable that things are slipping through the cracks

[Thomas Seitz]

I'm with the non-deadpool, there's been a lot going on in the past 5 years plus month that it's possible people haven't noticed yet.

Mark,

I think since they owned the rights to Kick Ass, it was probably more likely they'd reference that than AHS.

[Mark Hoover 330]

Cap alluded to things being difficult after "The Snap" in Endgame but I figured he meant emotionally. Hayward in this show however suggested it was a "nightmare." I wonder if he just means in the sense that half the people that were doing jobs in the world suddenly weren't and so things were bad that way, or if crime and villainy went crazy over those 5 years?

Anyway, the interwebs are apparently up in arms over the use of the word "nightmare" as if this is somehow suggestive of who is behind all this. That feels like... a stretch.

Still, I think a cool show/movie/property would be to document those 5 missing years between "Snap" and "Blip." Maybe Darcy and Jimmy could feature in it, on opposite sides of things?

[thejeff]

Mark Hoover 330 wrote:

Cap alluded to things being difficult after "The Snap" in Endgame but I figured he meant emotionally. Hayward in this show however suggested it was a "nightmare." I wonder if he just means in the sense that half the people that were doing jobs in the world suddenly weren't and so things were bad that way, or if crime and villainy went crazy over those 5 years?

Anyway, the interwebs are apparently up in arms over the use of the word "nightmare" as if this is somehow suggestive of who is behind all this. That feels like... a stretch.

Still, I think a cool show/movie/property would be to document those 5 missing years between "Snap" and "Blip." Maybe Darcy and Jimmy could feature in it, on opposite sides of things?

Honestly, society would have collapsed overnight when the snap happened. No country could absorb the shock of losing half the population in a moment. Not to mention the mental trauma basically everyone would face. How many new orphans? About a quarter of all families would lose both parents.

As you say "half the people that were doing jobs in the world suddenly weren't" and half the jobs not being needed, but not the same halves. Everything's now running at the wrong scale - cut all production runs in half and businesses will collapse. Even if their payroll's also cut in half, their fixed expenses aren't.
Housing markets completely crater.

And then the Blip. Assuming the world managed to patch itself together and move on at half scale: Suddenly the population doubles again and all these people have to find a place to fit back in. All essential supply production would have been scaled back. No way to feed twice as many people tomorrow.

Best not to look at it too closely. Treat it as comic book logic and don't worry about the real implications.

[Ed Reppert]

"Comic book logic" seems like an oxymoron to me. :-)

[Mark Hoover 330]

Ed Reppert wrote:

"Comic book logic" seems like an oxymoron to me. :-)

Hey, that's the same logic that brought you the Dark Phoenix Saga and (more pertinent to this thread) House of M.

You're right though My Name Is (The)Jeff, its probably best if we don't think TOO hard about it. Adding realism to The Snap and The Blip is probably true horror show. Still, I kinda like horror...