So, summoners in PF2 are now Stand users. Is that a good thing?


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I've been into Jojo longer than Pathfinder has been around, so I welcome it. The comparison definitely arose when I looked at the class. Regardless of association, though, I think it is a very good niche to fill. Two beings lives magically linked together is a trope that has definitely stuck around. It is worth exploring and the flavor of the Summoner is a good fit.


PossibleCabbage wrote:
I feel like I would need to know more about anime to make sense of this thread.

Meh just avoid both.


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Albatoonoe wrote:
I've been into Jojo longer than Pathfinder has been around, so I welcome it. The comparison definitely arose when I looked at the class. Regardless of association, though, I think it is a very good niche to fill. Two beings lives magically linked together is a trope that has definitely stuck around. It is worth exploring and the flavor of the Summoner is a good fit.

Jojo aired in 2012. Pathfinder was published in 2009, predating Jojo by 3 years.

Was Jojo a Manga first?

Edit: Seems there was a manga that started in 1987.


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A cursory google search suggests that Jojo has a character named "Robert E.O. Speedwagon".

That is the goofiest GD thing I have seen in my life, and I once had a pathfinder character named "Darude Sandstorm".


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Ravingdork wrote:
Albatoonoe wrote:
I've been into Jojo longer than Pathfinder has been around, so I welcome it. The comparison definitely arose when I looked at the class. Regardless of association, though, I think it is a very good niche to fill. Two beings lives magically linked together is a trope that has definitely stuck around. It is worth exploring and the flavor of the Summoner is a good fit.

Jojo aired in 2012. Pathfinder was published in 2009, predating Jojo by 3 years.

Was Jojo a Manga first?

Edit: Seems there was a manga that started in 1987.

Started and continually run for decades. No restarts or reboots after a few years- just running the entire time. All under the same artist.

And it lives up to its name. Cyborg nazis versus aztec vampire gods was one of the EARLY things. Given its long life span and wide variety of content, there are a lot of series that took inspiration from it.


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lemeres wrote:
Ravingdork wrote:
Albatoonoe wrote:
I've been into Jojo longer than Pathfinder has been around, so I welcome it. The comparison definitely arose when I looked at the class. Regardless of association, though, I think it is a very good niche to fill. Two beings lives magically linked together is a trope that has definitely stuck around. It is worth exploring and the flavor of the Summoner is a good fit.

Jojo aired in 2012. Pathfinder was published in 2009, predating Jojo by 3 years.

Was Jojo a Manga first?

Edit: Seems there was a manga that started in 1987.

Started and continually run for decades. No restarts or reboots after a few years- just running the entire time. All under the same artist.

And it lives up to its name. Cyborg nazis versus aztec vampire gods was one of the EARLY things. Given its long life span and wide variety of content, there are a lot of series that took inspiration from it.

Well... Steel Ball Run is kind of a soft reboot. But yeah all under the same artist.


oholoko wrote:
Well... Steel Ball Run is kind of a soft reboot. But yeah all under the same artist.

Which lead to

Steelball Run spoilers:
A cross country wild west horse race where they had to stop the president from getting Jesus' bones.


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lemeres wrote:
oholoko wrote:
Well... Steel Ball Run is kind of a soft reboot. But yeah all under the same artist.

Which lead to

** spoiler omitted **

Jojo story is just awesome.


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lemeres wrote:
Ravingdork wrote:
Albatoonoe wrote:
I've been into Jojo longer than Pathfinder has been around, so I welcome it. The comparison definitely arose when I looked at the class. Regardless of association, though, I think it is a very good niche to fill. Two beings lives magically linked together is a trope that has definitely stuck around. It is worth exploring and the flavor of the Summoner is a good fit.

Jojo aired in 2012. Pathfinder was published in 2009, predating Jojo by 3 years.

Was Jojo a Manga first?

Edit: Seems there was a manga that started in 1987.

Started and continually run for decades. No restarts or reboots after a few years- just running the entire time. All under the same artist.

And it lives up to its name. Cyborg nazis versus aztec vampire gods was one of the EARLY things. Given its long life span and wide variety of content, there are a lot of series that took inspiration from it.

Yeah, came out when I was a teenager and keeps on going. I give it props for it's longevity. Myself, I'm more Tenchi Muyo!/Dual! Parallel Trouble Adventure person.


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Jojo was the progenitor of a lot of shonen tropes. If there's an aspect of action manga you like, chances are Jojo did it first.


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Capn Cupcake wrote:
Jojo was the progenitor of a lot of shonen tropes. If there's an aspect of action manga you like, chances are Jojo did it first.

Simpsons did it. ;)

I don't know that I'd place so much at the feet of jojo. Cyborg 009, fist of the north star, black jack, Science Ninja Team Gatchaman, ect all predate jojo: I sure it's had it's influence but things influenced it too. It's hard to point to anything in media and pinpoint 'who did it first'.


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Even jojo was originally influenced by the Fist of the North Star, which is why the early parts tend to have far more buff characters. It was the 80s, and the era of action heroes like Arnold Schwarzenegger.

This is also why they moved away from being a martial arts series to being a super hero style series (with stands taking the powers and the spandex costumes).

Still, it has been around long enough that when people often use it as a frame of reference. The common joke is that if you think of a super power, then there is already a stand with that power from some point over the 30 years of material. Much like how you see a brooding martial arts capable detective that uses costumes to strike fear in the hearts of criminals, and you think "Batman".


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Now tht I think about it, the first two parts of Jojo can be boiled down to "monks with positive energy ki strikes vs. vampires".

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