Atalius |
Hello all,
I mean I know what a crit'er is, but what I'm saying is what percentage of the time should you be crit'ing if your building for a crit fishing character? Would it be 20% of the time vs on level enemies? Would it be 25% of the time? How about vs bosses 3 CR above you, are you looking at 10% or less?
HumbleGamer |
Depends
For example, a lvl 10 fighter with marshal dedication and longspear might have +27 hit against a lvl 13 ( and boss cause dragon ) Adult Bronze Dragon, which has 34 ac
+5 str
+16 proficiency
+2 item
+1 stance
+2 flat footed
+1 Spear critical specialization ( let's suppose it's on )
He would have then a 15% chance on its first attack.
The best he could do is to take asap the keen rune ( lvl 13+ )
Taja the Barbarian |
Are you asking about Pathfinder 2nd Edition or 1st Edition?
In PF2E, you can't really build for 'more frequent crits' (at least, not yet): As HumbleGamer mentioned, the Keen Weapon Property Rune is the only thing I am aware of offhand that can actually specifically give you additional Critical Hits, and even that is a bit situational as it only helps you if a roll of 19 is a success (assuming three attacks with a normal MAP, either your first attack will already naturally crit on a 19 roll or your last attack will completely miss on a 19 roll).
Unlike previous editions, you can't really have a 'I should threaten a crit 30% of the time' build.
So, the only way to increase the number of crits you get is to increase your attack bonus / debuff your target's AC, which is less 'crit-fishing' and more 'hit more often'.
If you are asking about PF1E, there is a separate forum for that game.
Squiggit |
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There are a few things you can do: being a Fighter specifically, making sure you have access to all the common buffs/debuffs (circumstance penalty to AC via flanking/flat-footed, status penalty to AC via frightened/sickened/etc., bully someone into playing a Bard or divine caster so you can have status bonuses to attack rolls, etc).
Somehow gaining access to true strike would be good too.
Keen's kind of a weird one, I sort of wonder if it was written for a different version of the game and just never got fixed, like the "crit on a 20" rule in the CRB. Still it's something if you only have a 5% crit chance.
Mellored |
Depends
For example, a lvl 10 fighter with marshal dedication and longspear might have +27 hit against a lvl 13 ( and boss cause dragon ) Adult Bronze Dragon, which has 34 ac
+5 str
+16 proficiency
+2 item
+1 stance
+2 flat footed
+1 Spear critical specialization ( let's suppose it's on )He would have then a 15% chance on its first attack.
The best he could do is to take asap the keen rune ( lvl 13+ )
to continue this... fighter goes MC to get true stike and gets support.
+0 from bless/heroism (replaces the +1 stance)
+2 from synastisia (replaces spear crit)
= 25% chance.
1-(.75 *.75) true strike = 43.75%
Increases to 51% at level 11 (heroism +2).
And 57.75% when you get heroism +3.
Think that may be max, unless someone can find a circumstance bonus.
HumbleGamer |
HumbleGamer wrote:Depends
For example, a lvl 10 fighter with marshal dedication and longspear might have +27 hit against a lvl 13 ( and boss cause dragon ) Adult Bronze Dragon, which has 34 ac
+5 str
+16 proficiency
+2 item
+1 stance
+2 flat footed
+1 Spear critical specialization ( let's suppose it's on )He would have then a 15% chance on its first attack.
The best he could do is to take asap the keen rune ( lvl 13+ )to continue this... fighter goes MC to get true stike and gets support.
+0 from bless/heroism (replaces the +1 stance)
+2 from synastisia (replaces spear crit)
= 25% chance.1-(.75 *.75) true strike = 43.75%
Increases to 51% at level 11 (heroism +2).
And 57.75% when you get heroism +3.Think that may be max, unless someone can find a circumstance bonus.
There's the Aid action for a +4 circumstance bonus, isn't it?
Mellored |
Mellored wrote:There's the Aid action for a +4 circumstance bonus, isn't it?HumbleGamer wrote:Depends
For example, a lvl 10 fighter with marshal dedication and longspear might have +27 hit against a lvl 13 ( and boss cause dragon ) Adult Bronze Dragon, which has 34 ac
+5 str
+16 proficiency
+2 item
+1 stance
+2 flat footed
+1 Spear critical specialization ( let's suppose it's on )He would have then a 15% chance on its first attack.
The best he could do is to take asap the keen rune ( lvl 13+ )to continue this... fighter goes MC to get true stike and gets support.
+0 from bless/heroism (replaces the +1 stance)
+2 from synastisia (replaces spear crit)
= 25% chance.1-(.75 *.75) true strike = 43.75%
Increases to 51% at level 11 (heroism +2).
And 57.75% when you get heroism +3.Think that may be max, unless someone can find a circumstance bonus.
Only if you are legendary. So you need another high level fighter to give up an action and reaction to you.
But yes.
=79.75% crit chance.
Mellored |
So the answer as of now is a: Maxed out Fighter, with a Keen weapon (just in case), and a Helpful Halfling Bard, who is flanking?
Fighter who takes True Strike (arcane or occult).
Probably Power Strike with a Greatpick as well, since if your going to crit, make it a good one.Yea. Unless someone else can find a bigger bonus.
But that is +2 base-fighter, +4 circumstance-aid, +3 status-heroism, -2 circumstance-flat footed, -3 status-clumsy 3 Synesthesia, roll twice-true strike.
Mellored |
Actually...
If we can get to crit on a 10, Monk 19 would make that 100% crit chance. So 36 base + 12 bonuses + 10 roll = 58
Not quite good enough to crit the level 23+ monsters (stick with fighter for that). But 100% crit on anything 22 or lower level.
So Halfing bard + fighter + monk would give the best chance.
Samurai |
What is a Crit'er? A fan of Critical Role.
But seriously, now that you have to beat the AC by 10+, there is no more "Crit Fishing", as was already said. You just have to build up your attack bonus, get some buffs, and lower the target's AC (maybe through de-buffs or teamwork).
Step 1 is usually: Choose Fighter for your Class, to gain the +2 over every other class on attack rolls.
masda_gib |
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Actually...
If we can get to crit on a 10, Monk 19 would make that 100% crit chance. So 36 base + 12 bonuses + 10 roll = 58
Not quite good enough to crit the level 23+ monsters (stick with fighter for that). But 100% crit on anything 22 or lower level.
So Halfing bard + fighter + monk would give the best chance.
If we are going by the crit RATE, a Investigator can get a 100% rate at level 1. They just have to only actually carry out the attack whenever they roll a 20. :) They are not gonna win a DPR contest though.