Help me with build and fluff for NPC Succubus turned Vendenopterix


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I have an NPC thats going to introuduced soon who was a succubus, but for various reasons was cursed by a succubus queen and banished. Succubus wound up traveling the planes until she found the realm of Calistria in Elysium and served Calistria, who turned her into a vendenopterix.

This character would be 17/18 CR ish. My initial thoughts were to build it using succubus as a base creature, add some of the vendenopterix things (like the poison claws). Then I add oracle levels using the monster advancement rules with oracle (I want her to be a caster and able to cast plane shift to explain her history of traveling the planes) of battle (for combat feats... read grapple feats). I also decided to outfit her with full plate armor (not sexy).
I was thinking of having the aforementioned curse be the oracle curse plus maybe being unable to remove her armor (PCs might encounter other normal succubus and I dont want my campaign filled completely with scantily clad creatures...), and I'm looking for a cool pre-existing or homebrew mechanic for that. I originally picked haunted as the oracle curse because it had telekinesis which is always cool, but I realized it wasnt really necessary.

Any thoughts?


I was just looking up Vendenopterix. It looks like a Vendenopterix is just a Chaoitic Neutral Succubus: Alter Self, Charm Person, Energy drain, etc. The base line CR for a succubus is like 7, and the base line for the vendenopterix is like 4.

Snow_Tiger wrote:
This character would be 17/18 CR ish.

So we're talking about a major overhaul of the character in any event, not a Vendopterix, not a Succubus, but a monster the GM invented.

Snow_Tiger wrote:
I also decided to outfit her with full plate armor (not sexy).

I don't get it. I mean I don't go around sexualizing every fantasy woman I think about, but what is the point of de-sexualizing a sex demon? Are you trying to make some kind of feminist statement or redemption arc? Is the armor supposed to be some kind of chastity belt, and her objective is to seduce a party member into fullfilling bold quests to win her--ahem--hand in--ahem--passion, only to find out it's a trap?


Snow_Tiger wrote:
I also decided to outfit her with full plate armor (not sexy).

Shame on you.


Anarchy_Kanya wrote:
Snow_Tiger wrote:
I also decided to outfit her with full plate armor (not sexy).
Shame on you.

It's possible to be practical and alluring at the same time. Example


Scott Wilhelm wrote:

I was just looking up Vendenopterix. It looks like a Vendenopterix is just a Chaoitic Neutral Succubus: Alter Self, Charm Person, Energy drain, etc. The base line CR for a succubus is like 7, and the base line for the vendenopterix is like 4.

Snow_Tiger wrote:
This character would be 17/18 CR ish.

So we're talking about a major overhaul of the character in any event, not a Vendopterix, not a Succubus, but a monster the GM invented.

Snow_Tiger wrote:
I also decided to outfit her with full plate armor (not sexy).
I don't get it. I mean I don't go around sexualizing every fantasy woman I think about, but what is the point of de-sexualizing a sex demon? Are you trying to make some kind of feminist statement or redemption arc? Is the armor supposed to be some kind of chastity belt, and her objective is to seduce a party member into fullfilling bold quests to win her--ahem--hand in--ahem--passion, only to find out it's a trap?

I guess I was just trying to avoid it. I guess I shouldn’t just avoid that issue outright.


Anarchy_Kanya wrote:
Snow_Tiger wrote:
I also decided to outfit her with full plate armor (not sexy).
Shame on you.

I meant no bikini armor... I could have phrased it better.


Snow_Tiger wrote:
Scott Wilhelm wrote:

I was just looking up Vendenopterix. It looks like a Vendenopterix is just a Chaoitic Neutral Succubus: Alter Self, Charm Person, Energy drain, etc. The base line CR for a succubus is like 7, and the base line for the vendenopterix is like 4.

Snow_Tiger wrote:
This character would be 17/18 CR ish.

So we're talking about a major overhaul of the character in any event, not a Vendopterix, not a Succubus, but a monster the GM invented.

Snow_Tiger wrote:
I also decided to outfit her with full plate armor (not sexy).
I don't get it. I mean I don't go around sexualizing every fantasy woman I think about, but what is the point of de-sexualizing a sex demon? Are you trying to make some kind of feminist statement or redemption arc? Is the armor supposed to be some kind of chastity belt, and her objective is to seduce a party member into fullfilling bold quests to win her--ahem--hand in--ahem--passion, only to find out it's a trap?
I guess I was just trying to avoid it. I guess I shouldn’t just avoid that issue outright.

Okay, but if you are avoiding the issue, why do you have a sex demon at all? I'm not opposed to the issue. I'm intrigued by the idea of a Succubus becoming non-evil and trying to or forced to be thought of as other-than-a-sex-object.

But if you are avoiding the issue, maybe you should just have some kind of NPC gish like an Eldritch Knight or Warpriest or something. I don't see the how or why of introducing a Succubus and avoiding the issue. I advise you either run with the issue or not make your NPC a sex demon.


Isn't Calistria also all about lust and sexualization?

So, why would a demon of lust and sex, who is taken in by the goddess of lust and sex, suddenly go out of their way to be the one that isn't all about being lustful and sexy?

Calistrian Clerics look like strippers, but the Calistrian Succubus looks like an Iron Golem? Why?


VoodistMonk wrote:

Isn't Calistria also all about lust and sexualization?

So, why would a demon of lust and sex, who is taken in by the goddess of lust and sex, suddenly go out of their way to be the one that isn't all about being lustful and sexy?

Calistrian Clerics look like strippers, but the Calistrian Succubus looks like an Iron Golem? Why?

Calistria's three main points are lust, trickery, and revenge. It's perfectly fine to focus on the latter two and less so on the first.

And in response to the "look like strippers" statement, here's two Calistrian worshipers straight from the pathfinder wiki who certainly don't: EXAMPLE 1, EXAMPLE 2


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One thought - the vendenopterix is all about hunting things down, and the thrill of the hunt feat gives a boost to tracking and to fighting the creature tracked.


I demand my sexy lady demons be naked or I'm taking my toys and going home!

*Huff*

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