Whenever you gain a class feature that grants you expert or greater proficiency in any type of armor (but not unarmored defense), you also gain that proficiency in the armor types granted to you by this feat.
If I'm reading the Sentinel dedication correctly you can get scaling proficiency with heavy armor even if you are only trained in light armor through your class.
BUT you only get the scaling heavy armor proficiency if you're already trained in medium armor when you take the dedication.
So what does work is taking the armor proficiency general feat to get trained medium armor, then taking the sentinel dedication and when you now get expert in light armor you will also gain expert in heavy armor.
If you do it the other way around (taking armor proficiency after the sentinel dedication) you will only ever be trained in Heavy Armor.
Humans can even achieve this at lvl 2 with the versatile human heritage
Yes, that works.
If you want a rogue with heavy armor for instance.
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I don't think order matters in PF2.
As in even if you get Medium Armor Proficiency later, the Sentinel feat should give you Heavy Armor (etc.).
What I find odd is one might be Master in Light & Heavy, yet only Trained in Medium (ex. High level Rogue).
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I don't think order matters in PF2.
As in even if you get Medium Armor Proficiency later, the Sentinel feat should give you Heavy Armor (etc.).
This isn't always true, and goes directly against the text of the Feat. I'd say many reasonable GMs would rule it that way, but RAW I think you have to do it in the right order.
What I find odd is one might be Master in Light & Heavy, yet only Trained in Medium (ex. High level Rogue).
I don't think that's right. The Feat grants Training in Light and Medium Armor even if you already have it, and thus still increases your Proficiency rating in all armor. It doesn't ever cover Unarmored, since it never grants that, but it does grant Medium even if you already have it from another source.
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I don't think order matters in PF2.
As in even if you get Medium Armor Proficiency later, the Sentinel feat should give you Heavy Armor (etc.).This isn't always true, and goes directly against the text of the Feat. I'd say many reasonable GMs would rule it that way, but RAW I think you have to do it in the right order.
What I find odd is one might be Master in Light & Heavy, yet only Trained in Medium (ex. High level Rogue).I don't think that's right. The Feat grants Training in Light and Medium Armor even if you already have it, and thus still increases your Proficiency rating in all armor. It doesn't ever cover Unarmored, since it never grants that, but it does grant Medium even if you already have it from another source.
I believe PF2 feats are "constantly rechecking", much like Toughness increases your hit points by your level. In PF1, the feat had to mention how this # increases as you level. PF2 has no such clause so by strictest reading, you get the hit points of the level you take it and that's it. I believe we agree that's wrong.
It's odd that Sentinel uses the past tense, yet I'd still apply this general rule of thumb.I can understand the reading that the feat provides you with Medium Armor Proficiency even if you have it and that the phrasing is to account for whichever armors apply to each PC. Now I'd interpret it that way. Thanks.
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I agree that I don't think orders matter, and that feats are in a constant state of "checking."
Otherwise, if you somehow lost a prerequisite to a feat, you'd be able to continue using the feat, since it was true at the time you got it, which we know not to be the case. This leads me to believe that Castilliano is correct.