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Gnolls were a race builder/"extra" option in PF1 so... yes and no. They existed and had stats and were fine but didn't really have any real support outside that one entry.
PF2's Ancestry system is a bit of a double edged sword here. On the one hand it could make PF2 gnolls a lot more fleshed out conceptually and could be really fun, but the new Ancestry system as a necessitates a lot more overhead, which means we're going to probably see significantly fewer PF2 ancestries than PF1 races.
FWIW I agree with you. It'd be fun to see PF2 do gnolls, 4e did a really good job fleshing them out and it felt really strange when 5e threw all of that in the garbage and made them literally-worse-than-the-demons-they-worship in terms of functionality. Sort of curious how WoTC might try to reconcile that big retcon with their supposed new approach to species, but that's another topic for another forum.
D&D 4E made my dreams come true with a PC Gnoll race and 5E broke my heart when they decided no PC Gnolls cuz they’re all evil demons worshippers now. It’s my favorite race because hyenas are my favorite animal. Do you think we would ever see PC Gnolls in PF2E?
They where technically s race in that they where used as an example of what you could build with the race builder. They got 0 support though and never even got a proper player race description
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Yeah... so it’s more than likely they won’t be a race. They don’t seem to be particularly popular or have the demand behind them that other races do :(D&D 4E made my dreams come true with a PC Gnoll race and 5E broke my heart when they decided no PC Gnolls cuz they’re all evil demons worshippers now. It’s my favorite race because hyenas are my favorite animal. Do you think we would ever see PC Gnolls in PF2E?They where technically s race in that they where used as an example of what you could build with the race builder. They got 0 support though and never even got a proper player race description
to be fair the same could be said of lizardfolk in 1e so not all hope is lost.
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Gnolls are something that is possible in the future, we even have an artwork of one as a Magaambya student in the Lost Omens book (together with an Anadi... that should totally become playable as well).
And Paizo knows that have players that want them. Relevant thread
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Gnolls were not meaningfully a PC option in PF1, but as others mention neither were lizardfolk.
PF2 can easily accommodate a Gnoll Ancestry, and I think that's a very real possibility at some point going forward. Lost Omens Legends, a recent book, features a Good-aligned Gnoll Abolitionist as a major plot point (not for being those things, but for discovering a conspiracy), so it's not like they're implying there are no Good gnolls. That's not a mechanics book at all, but it says something about the attitude towards gnolls that Paizo has.
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What made it somewhat tricky for us to do gnolls (and lizardfolk and a few others) in 1st edition was that they had "racial Hit Dice" which PCs don't get, so we couldn't really put the PC rules for these in a Bestiary.
In 2nd edition, one of the many reasons why we got rid of Hit Dice AND splitting the monster rules apart from the PC rules was to make it easier to present ancestries for PCs based on things like gnolls and lizardfolk.
AKA: Stay tuned, I suppose.
What made it somewhat tricky for us to do gnolls (and lizardfolk and a few others) in 1st edition was that they had "racial Hit Dice" which PCs don't get, so we couldn't really put the PC rules for these in a Bestiary.
In 2nd edition, one of the many reasons why we got rid of Hit Dice AND splitting the monster rules apart from the PC rules was to make it easier to present ancestries for PCs based on things like gnolls and lizardfolk.
AKA: Stay tuned, I suppose.
Just finished up writing a gnoll for a PF1 game, and I have to say that the release of lizardfolk make me very excited for (at some point, possibly) getting gnoll. So many of PF2's ancestry feats have been very cool and flavorful, and that's especially appealing for those racial hit dice races that only got put in with very bare-bones options.
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I want them so bad, and 2e seems to be taking deliberate effort to present them more neutrally.
5e just got them with the new Eberron book!
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I don’t know what this new Eberron book is but it’s not on DNDBeyond yet... is it 3rd party? If it’s the one that came out something about rise of the last war, PC Gnolls aren’t in that. I don’t know what this book is. I have 2 Eberron books for 5th edition and neither have Gnolls.
It is indeed technically 3rd party. It's basically Keith Baker's (the creator of Eberron) personal project, separate from his work on official WotC products like Rising From The Last War.
So most people are gonna see it as canonical for Eberron, but it's not a WotC product with all that entails.
Staying tuned, Gnolls are cool. And would be fun to see how the official one is compared to my homebrew.
I don’t know what this new Eberron book is but it’s not on DNDBeyond yet... is it 3rd party? If it’s the one that came out something about rise of the last war, PC Gnolls aren’t in that. I don’t know what this book is. I have 2 Eberron books for 5th edition and neither have Gnolls.
It is 3rd party. But is being made by Keith Baker
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It’s out!