How to approach a 'i do this every morning' surprise?


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Hello,

I've been surprised by an oracle PC, who has the Natural Divination revelation.
It describes rituals to get bonuses that day.

One of the bonuses, he just activated, is a bonus on saving throws. Which requires 10 minutes of reading a freshly killed humanoid/animal's entrails.

He hadn't posted anything about acquiring the resources nor performing the ritual. His response was that his dog brings him a fresh kill every morning. All on its own.

Imo, that is a bit too convenient an answer.
How would my fellow DMs approach a convenient surprise like this?

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The dog (didn't) eat my homework is a bit flippant, but it doesn't seem like he's being disruptive.

Generally in Organized Play most GMs tend to treat things like this, or Deific Obediences, as automatic unless they would be particularly challenging to pull off under the circumstances of the adventure. Nobody wants me to spend 2 minutes every adventuring day explaining how I braid hair, practice martial arts, and read a book. It's part of daily preparations, just like you assume spellcasters took the necessary steps to regain spell slots and fighters put on their armor. In this case he could have:

-Set traps (rabbit in the wild, mouse in the city)
-Bought the cheapest live animal at the meat market.
-Have a bunny farm of his own (if the adventure is in his home city)
-Dozens of other explanations

If the particular environment of the adventure makes the ritual challenging - like say they spent the night in a demiplane - then maybe he does need to come up with an explanation for how he gets his animal for the day.

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Kevin Willis wrote:

The dog (didn't) eat my homework is a bit flippant, but it doesn't seem like he's being disruptive.

Assuming this is PF1 I might require the dog to have the "Hunt" trick, and a high enough survival to successfully take 10 at the "get along in the wild" (which is DC 10 for most areas.)

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A rat is 1 cp, well within the price limit of a Spell Component Pouch's "you just have it available," so I wouldn't be worried about it at all.

It comes from the same place as live crickets for sleep spells.

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Like a pathfinder ISN"T going to open up three brand new carcasses before breakfast anyway...

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Like a pathfinder ISN"T going to open up three brand new carcasses before breakfast anyway...

To be fair, Pathfinders often try VERY hard to have no carcasses until AFTER breakfast (assuming breakfast is part of your normal daily preparation time).

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Well certain quest givers (more so in PFS1 than 2) seem to be fixated on summoning their agents in the middle of the night, so murder hobo before dawn is fairly common with them.

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I'd probably ask how they manage the carcass every morning and accept it. Then, when such a method is unavailable (as they have told you how they do it), they'll either have to get creative, or they won't have access to it. Either they are prepared or they lose out because they are not.

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pauljathome wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Like a pathfinder ISN"T going to open up three brand new carcasses before breakfast anyway...
To be fair, Pathfinders often try VERY hard to have no carcasses until AFTER breakfast (assuming breakfast is part of your normal daily preparation time).

But what about second breakfast? There might be halflings in the party.

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GM Chyro wrote:

Hello,

I've been surprised by an oracle PC, who has the Natural Divination revelation.
It describes rituals to get bonuses that day.

One of the bonuses, he just activated, is a bonus on saving throws. Which requires 10 minutes of reading a freshly killed humanoid/animal's entrails.

He hadn't posted anything about acquiring the resources nor performing the ritual. His response was that his dog brings him a fresh kill every morning. All on its own.

Imo, that is a bit too convenient an answer.
How would my fellow DMs approach a convenient surprise like this?

There are a lot of things that could go into daily prep, but it is best to tell the GM beforehand. Just one example is my dwarf magus with a spell storing adamantine breastplate. I always tell the GM "There is shocking grasp in my spell storing armor until I say otherwise."

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RealAlchemy wrote:
pauljathome wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Like a pathfinder ISN"T going to open up three brand new carcasses before breakfast anyway...
To be fair, Pathfinders often try VERY hard to have no carcasses until AFTER breakfast (assuming breakfast is part of your normal daily preparation time).
But what about second breakfast? There might be halflings in the party.

Where do you think we were getting the second breakfast...

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RealAlchemy wrote:
There are a lot of things that could go into daily prep, but it is best to tell the GM beforehand. Just one example is my dwarf magus with a spell storing adamantine breastplate. I always tell the GM "There is shocking grasp in my spell storing armor until I say otherwise."

I will admit I used to be a lot more anxious/annoyed as a GM about "you should have told me that you had done that!" But eventually I got to a more tranquil space. For a couple of reasons:

1. As I got to be a more experienced GM I managed to somewhat let go of my controlling side and trust that (most) players know what they are doing and aren't cheating.
2. I played some characters that became very complicated as they leveled, and realized just how much it's possible to have "prepped," and how long it takes to go over just one of those characters' daily routines. And how much that can slow down the start of a game.
My character:
that I mentioned above. In addition to the Deific Obedience, I would have to explain how my meditation feats work (which I have to "prep" each day). Then the very long listing of all the long-duration buffs cast on me, my animal companion, or split between us. And how various feats and abilities modified the caster level of some (but not all) of those buffs. With some buffs were dismissable for effects.

That's just the start, I haven't even gotten to spell-storing, and it's just my character. Now have everyone at the table do that.

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