Wizard taking witch dedication when they already have a familiar


Pathfinder Second Edition General Discussion


So what happens here? Do you get one familiar with 2 abilities and another with 1 or do you get one familiar with 3 abilities?......I'm building a human staff nexus universalist wizard/witch/scroll trickster for UBER SLOTS and I'm wondering if taking the familiar early will lead to a 3 ability familiar after the witch dedication


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You can only have one familiar at a time and they do not combine, so you get a choice of a 2 ability familiar or a 1 ability familiar (which gets its second ability back if you take basic witchcraft) with spells. You could retrain out of the wizard familiar feat.

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Since you are taking the Witch dedication, it would appear to be reasonable to interpret it being one less ability than the normal familiar FOR A WITCH (which would be 2 abilities until you take the feat that removes the reduction). Also, It would make sense thematically as getting the extra ability of a witch familiar at 6th level etc.

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If I understand the entry correctly, you get 2 cantrips AND an a third from the familiar with the witch dedication. in essence the reduced familiar is basically hardwired to give you the cantrip ability.


I would presume you'd get the witch familiar (minus one ability until you train in witch spellcasting) and could retrain out of the wizard feat that grants a familiar. The wizard familiar thesis wouldn't stack though, if you had it along with the witch dedication


This has me thinking about the same situation with Witch and a Leaf Order Druid.

Can a Leaf Order Druid retrain out of their Order feat?

There probably ought to be some sort of errata to the dedication that says "if you already have a familiar from any other source, the Witch familiar replaces that and you get the Enhanced Familiar feat for free".

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