Dragon Disciple: Breath of the Dragon


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One of the players at my table wants to take the Dragon Disciple ability Breath of the Dragon, but we're unsure how that works.

Breath of the Dragon, Feat 8, grants the Dragon Breath Sorcerer Bloodline spell and a focus pool of 1.

The bloodline spell is Focus 3 and is "Heightened (+1) The damage increases by 2d6". The spell deals 5d6 (energy type by dragon).

(a.) Does that mean that at 8th level, using Breath of the Dragon, would deal 7d6 damage (5d6 at focus 3, heightened to 4th [level / 2] for plus 2d6)?

(b.) What is the DC for the basic reflex save?

Thanks!


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Your damage calculation looks correct.

The DC, well that looks like an oversight. Usually only Sorcerers get that focus spell and would use the spell DC of the spellcasting tradition granted by their bloodline.

A Barbarian who takes it wouldn't have one, a kobold fighter, etc.

I'd probably add 'you become trained in arcane spelling casting' and use that DC, with CHA as the ability (since its an innate ability and that's what sorcerers would use and its using the sorcerer focus power. But its pretty flimsy getting to that, IMO.


Thanks!


That is correct. Initial level of spell wouldn't change, so Dragon Disciple practically get immediately heightened spell.


NielsenE wrote:

Your damage calculation looks correct.

The DC, well that looks like an oversight. Usually only Sorcerers get that focus spell and would use the spell DC of the spellcasting tradition granted by their bloodline.

A Barbarian who takes it wouldn't have one, a kobold fighter, etc.

I'd probably add 'you become trained in arcane spelling casting' and use that DC, with CHA as the ability (since its an innate ability and that's what sorcerers would use and its using the sorcerer focus power. But its pretty flimsy getting to that, IMO.

The rules for innate spells take care of the DC.

CRB, p. 302 wrote:
You’re always trained in spell attack rolls and spell DCs for your innate spells, even if you aren’t otherwise trained in spell attack rolls or spell DCs. If your proficiency in spell attack rolls or spell DCs is expert or better, apply that proficiency to your innate spells, too. You use your Charisma modifier as your spellcasting ability modifier for innate spells unless otherwise specified.


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It doesn't say it's an innate spell, I don't think anything that doesn't specify what tradition it's from/give you proficiency in a tradition is automatically an innate spell. Innate spells are almost always ancestry based


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I believe the intent would be for it to be an Arcane DC based on Charisma.

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