Dwarven Reinforcement


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Super Quick Question... hopefully
Can I use the level 5 feat Dwarven Reinforcement on shields?
My instincts tell me that this is what the feat was made for, though the first line of text leaves me confused and unsure as to what it can and cannot be used on.

Hear me out, is specifically calls out THICK objects and shields are specifically refereed to under the rules as THIN pieces of steel or iron. So although I feel as though the first line is mostly flavor text as opposed to rules text I was just looking for clarification or at the very least the opinions of others on the use of Dwarven Reinforcement.

For Reference...
The Feat: https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=1400
The Rules Calling Shields Thin: https://2e.aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?ID=729

Shadow Lodge

I'm going to guess 'no': Metal shields and armor need to be fairly thin or they quickly become too heavy to use effectively.

I have no idea what the practical intent of this feat is...

Dwarven Reinforcement (Feat 5) wrote:

Dwarf

Source Advanced Player's Guide pg. 42
Prerequisites expert in Crafting
You can use your knowledge of engineering and metalwork to temporarily strengthen thick objects and structures. By spending 1 hour working on an item, you can give it a +1 circumstance bonus to its Hardness for 24 hours. If you're a master in Crafting, the bonus is +2, and if you're legendary, the bonus is +3. You can reinforce a portion of a structure, though 1 hour usually reinforces only a door, a few windows, or another section that fits within a 10-foot cube.


Taja the Barbarian wrote:

I'm going to guess 'no': Metal shields and armor need to be fairly thin or they quickly become too heavy to use effectively.

I have no idea what the practical intent of this feat is...

That's the real question I suppose. Is the first line of text actual rules text and if so what in the world are we meant to use this feat for? Armor I guess?


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Intoxicated Illithid wrote:
Taja the Barbarian wrote:

I'm going to guess 'no': Metal shields and armor need to be fairly thin or they quickly become too heavy to use effectively.

I have no idea what the practical intent of this feat is...

That's the real question I suppose. Is the first line of text actual rules text and if so what in the world are we meant to use this feat for? Armor I guess?

I'm thinking doors and Walls

Sczarni

There's a Pathfinder Society Scenario where you fortify a dilapidated fortress against an oncoming troupe of undead.

I imagine this feat was designed for that very sort of use, since they attack and eventually break down the gates.


Nefreet wrote:

There's a Pathfinder Society Scenario where you fortify a dilapidated fortress against an oncoming troupe of undead.

I imagine this feat was designed for that very sort of use, since they attack and eventually break down the gates.

Shrug

I suppose that could be the purpose.
I had really hoped it would be useful for shield builds.
Seems like it's got decent scaling to allow a Dwarven Shield Fighter or Champion to be quite unique in it's shield being slightly better due to their craftsmanship.


I'm sure if Paizo had intended it for armor or shields the feat would've mentioned that because that'd become the most relevant use for most parties, especially for shields.


Castilliano wrote:
I'm sure if Paizo had intended it for armor or shields the feat would've mentioned that because that'd become the most relevant use for most parties, especially for shields.

You're probably right. Still Paizo could have worded the feat better or at the very least specified what types of items it can be used on instead of being so arbitrary.

Sovereign Court

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Nefreet wrote:

There's a Pathfinder Society Scenario where you fortify a dilapidated fortress against an oncoming troupe of undead.

I imagine this feat was designed for that very sort of use, since they attack and eventually break down the gates.

Having run this scenario though, it abstracts much of that kind of stuff, and I don't think Hardness increases would actually help mechanically.

Definitely disappointed that it doesn't seem usable for shields, though armor is technically not a thin item from the same table that lists shields as thin. Though I don't think thick items are defined anywhere.

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