paizo.com Recent Posts in No, not the buttons! Not my gumdrop buttons!paizo.com Recent Posts in No, not the buttons! Not my gumdrop buttons!2020-07-27T07:27:56Z2020-07-27T07:27:56ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: No, not the buttons! Not my gumdrop buttons!Tikaelhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43406?No-not-the-buttons-Not-my-gumdrop-buttons#82020-07-28T04:19:24Z2020-07-28T04:19:24Z<p>Lost omens legends has rules for inanimate object familiars for witches.</p>Lost omens legends has rules for inanimate object familiars for witches.Tikael2020-07-28T04:19:24ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: No, not the buttons! Not my gumdrop buttons!beowulf99https://paizo.com/threads/rzs43406?No-not-the-buttons-Not-my-gumdrop-buttons#72020-07-28T03:44:47Z2020-07-28T03:44:47Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Moximus wrote:</div><blockquote> The only problem I see with a gingerbread man familiar is language related. If you get the feat that let's you speak to the same creature type as your familiar, does this mean you can speak with other baked goods? </blockquote><p>Which feat specifically are you asking about?
<p>Or do you mean Kinspeech and Speech, as the familiar abilities?</p>
<p>Kinspeech already accounts for non-animal familiars.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">CRB PG. 218 "Kinspeech" wrote:</div><blockquote><p>It can understand and speak with animals
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of the same species. To select this, your familiar must be
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an animal, it must have the speech ability, and you must
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be at least 6th level.</blockquote><p>It has to be an animal in the first place to gain Kinspeech. In fact, I'd say that this is even more anecdotal evidence that non-traditional familiar's should definitely be allowed. At least imo.Moximus wrote:The only problem I see with a gingerbread man familiar is language related. If you get the feat that let's you speak to the same creature type as your familiar, does this mean you can speak with other baked goods?
Which feat specifically are you asking about? Or do you mean Kinspeech and Speech, as the familiar abilities?
Kinspeech already accounts for non-animal familiars.
CRB PG. 218 "Kinspeech" wrote:It can understand and speak with animals
of the same species. To select...beowulf992020-07-28T03:44:47ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: No, not the buttons! Not my gumdrop buttons!mrspaghettihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43406?No-not-the-buttons-Not-my-gumdrop-buttons#62020-07-28T03:40:55Z2020-07-28T03:40:55Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Moximus wrote:</div><blockquote> The only problem I see with a gingerbread man familiar is language related. If you get the feat that let's you speak to the same creature type as your familiar, does this mean you can speak with other baked goods? </blockquote><p>Well that would be really overpowered. I've changed my mind - no gingerbread Familiars!Moximus wrote:The only problem I see with a gingerbread man familiar is language related. If you get the feat that let's you speak to the same creature type as your familiar, does this mean you can speak with other baked goods?
Well that would be really overpowered. I've changed my mind - no gingerbread Familiars!mrspaghetti2020-07-28T03:40:55ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: No, not the buttons! Not my gumdrop buttons!Moximushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43406?No-not-the-buttons-Not-my-gumdrop-buttons#52020-07-28T01:17:44Z2020-07-28T01:18:16Z<p>The only problem I see with a gingerbread man familiar is language related. If you get the feat that let's you speak to the same creature type as your familiar, does this mean you can speak with other baked goods?</p>The only problem I see with a gingerbread man familiar is language related. If you get the feat that let's you speak to the same creature type as your familiar, does this mean you can speak with other baked goods?Moximus2020-07-28T01:18:16ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: No, not the buttons! Not my gumdrop buttons!Ediwirhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43406?No-not-the-buttons-Not-my-gumdrop-buttons#42020-07-27T22:25:25Z2020-07-27T22:25:25Z<p>You could also make a custom advanced familiar using the ones in the APG as baselines. I made one for one of my players, as it's been a story element for a while but we didn't have a good rulebase for them yet.</p>You could also make a custom advanced familiar using the ones in the APG as baselines. I made one for one of my players, as it's been a story element for a while but we didn't have a good rulebase for them yet.Ediwir2020-07-27T22:25:25ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: No, not the buttons! Not my gumdrop buttons!beowulf99https://paizo.com/threads/rzs43406?No-not-the-buttons-Not-my-gumdrop-buttons#32020-07-27T22:03:55Z2020-07-27T22:03:55Z<p>1st, love the reference.</p>
<p>I second mrspaghetti, generally the look and fluff of a familiar is up to the player. If you have a really hard line gm, then go alchemist and take an alchemical familiar, then just say it's an alchemic-gingerbread man. But really I don't see that as being strictly necessary.</p>
<p>I too would allow for a Witch to take a gingerbread man familiar, because what impact does it really have on anything but your enjoyment of the character? Well, beyond maybe some creatures being inordinately drawn to the familiar because gingerbread is delicious...</p>1st, love the reference.
I second mrspaghetti, generally the look and fluff of a familiar is up to the player. If you have a really hard line gm, then go alchemist and take an alchemical familiar, then just say it's an alchemic-gingerbread man. But really I don't see that as being strictly necessary.
I too would allow for a Witch to take a gingerbread man familiar, because what impact does it really have on anything but your enjoyment of the character? Well, beyond maybe some creatures...beowulf992020-07-27T22:03:55ZRe: Forums: Rules Discussion: No, not the buttons! Not my gumdrop buttons!mrspaghettihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43406?No-not-the-buttons-Not-my-gumdrop-buttons#22020-07-27T18:46:47Z2020-07-27T13:28:48Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Halgur wrote:</div><blockquote> So I was looking at the APG and found the cook background and felt inspired. Reaper makes an awesome miniature and I'm sure there are other chef/cook minis out there as well <a href="https://www.reapermini.com/search/halfling%20chef" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"> Halfling Chef</a>. I'm envisioning a halfling baker witch with a gingerbread man as a familiar. This would most likely have to be a Pathfinder Society character though and I'm not sure that there are any rules yet for any sort of crafted familiar. Am I forgetting something or am I out of luck for the time being? </blockquote><p>As I read it the familiar rules already allow what you want
<p><i><span class=messageboard-bigger>Familiars</span>
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Source Core Rulebook pg. 217
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Familiars are mystically bonded creatures tied to your magic. <b>Most</b> familiars were originally animals, though the ritual of becoming a familiar makes them something more. You can choose a Tiny animal you want as your familiar, such as a bat, cat, raven, or snake. <b>Some</b> familiars are different, <b>usually</b> described in the ability that granted you a familiar; for example, a druid’s leshy familiar is a Tiny plant instead of an animal, formed from a minor nature spirit.</i></p>
<p>Granted, not every GM will interpret it flexibly like me, but I see no reason why it shouldn't be allowed. It's just flavor after all. Alchemists craft their Familiars.</p>Halgur wrote:So I was looking at the APG and found the cook background and felt inspired. Reaper makes an awesome miniature and I'm sure there are other chef/cook minis out there as well Halfling Chef. I'm envisioning a halfling baker witch with a gingerbread man as a familiar. This would most likely have to be a Pathfinder Society character though and I'm not sure that there are any rules yet for any sort of crafted familiar. Am I forgetting something or am I out of luck for the time
...mrspaghetti2020-07-27T13:28:48ZForums: Rules Discussion: No, not the buttons! Not my gumdrop buttons!Halgurhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43406?No-not-the-buttons-Not-my-gumdrop-buttons#12020-08-31T22:11:26Z2020-07-27T07:27:56Z<p>So I was looking at the APG and found the cook background and felt inspired. Reaper makes an awesome miniature and I'm sure there are other chef/cook minis out there as well <a href="https://www.reapermini.com/search/halfling%20chef" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"> Halfling Chef</a>. I'm envisioning a halfling baker witch with a gingerbread man as a familiar. This would most likely have to be a Pathfinder Society character though and I'm not sure that there are any rules yet for any sort of crafted familiar. Am I forgetting something or am I out of luck for the time being?</p>So I was looking at the APG and found the cook background and felt inspired. Reaper makes an awesome miniature and I'm sure there are other chef/cook minis out there as well Halfling Chef. I'm envisioning a halfling baker witch with a gingerbread man as a familiar. This would most likely have to be a Pathfinder Society character though and I'm not sure that there are any rules yet for any sort of crafted familiar. Am I forgetting something or am I out of luck for the time being?Halgur2020-07-27T07:27:56Z