paizo.com Recent Posts in Pathfinder Society scenarios that have non-violent endings or solutions, or are non-violent or focus on non-violencepaizo.com Recent Posts in Pathfinder Society scenarios that have non-violent endings or solutions, or are non-violent or focus on non-violence2022-06-26T15:34:29Z2022-06-26T15:34:29ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Pathfinder Society scenarios that have non-violent endings or solutions, or are non-violent or focus on non-violenceotetahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs433pb&page=2?Pathfinder-Society-scenarios-that-have#692022-08-10T02:50:30Z2022-08-09T16:53:03Z<p>Thank you for the reply, Jason S.! I'm happy to receive any additions to this discussion as I find it to be an extremely important topic.</p>
<p>At Gen Con Indy, my family and friends played another scenario with a potentially non-violent ending: "Dacilane Academy's Delightful Disaster".</p>
<p>As an added bonus, we really enjoyed the surprise (for us) refereeing by the scenario's author, Matt Morris!</p>Thank you for the reply, Jason S.! I'm happy to receive any additions to this discussion as I find it to be an extremely important topic.
At Gen Con Indy, my family and friends played another scenario with a potentially non-violent ending: "Dacilane Academy's Delightful Disaster".
As an added bonus, we really enjoyed the surprise (for us) refereeing by the scenario's author, Matt Morris!oteta2022-08-09T16:53:03ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Pathfinder Society scenarios that have non-violent endings or solutions, or are non-violent or focus on non-violenceJason Shttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs433pb&page=2?Pathfinder-Society-scenarios-that-have#682022-08-09T16:54:47Z2022-08-07T14:23:31Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">oteta wrote:</div><blockquote><p>Which Pathfinder Society scenarios have non-violent endings or solutions, or are non-violent or focus on non-violence?
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</blockquote><p>Virtually every scenario can end with a non-violent solution. It depends on the GM and the players if they want to make it happen and are creative enough to make it happen.
<p>Sometimes it means making deals with evil creatures/enemies though. Is that really better than having a violent solution? I don't think so, but to each their own.</p>
<p>I'll give you some examples of scenarios where they assumed you'd have a violent ending and my group (of children age 8-11) turned it into a non-violent ending.</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>
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<p>Oh this is an old thread, sorry for continuing the zombification.</p>oteta wrote:Which Pathfinder Society scenarios have non-violent endings or solutions, or are non-violent or focus on non-violence?
Virtually every scenario can end with a non-violent solution. It depends on the GM and the players if they want to make it happen and are creative enough to make it happen. Sometimes it means making deals with evil creatures/enemies though. Is that really better than having a violent solution? I don't think so, but to each their own.
I'll give you some examples...Jason S2022-08-07T14:23:31ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Pathfinder Society scenarios that have non-violent endings or solutions, or are non-violent or focus on non-violenceotetahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs433pb&page=2?Pathfinder-Society-scenarios-that-have#672022-08-07T20:54:44Z2022-06-30T03:40:17Z<p>Good evening, everyone. Here's another story for the list of adventures with a potential non-violent ending from our convention play:</p>
<p>PF2 #2-09: The Seven Secrets of Dacilane Academy (1-4)</p>
<p>Hope it's helpful!</p>Good evening, everyone. Here's another story for the list of adventures with a potential non-violent ending from our convention play:
PF2 #2-09: The Seven Secrets of Dacilane Academy (1-4)
Hope it's helpful!oteta2022-06-30T03:40:17ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Pathfinder Society scenarios that have non-violent endings or solutions, or are non-violent or focus on non-violenceotetahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs433pb&page=2?Pathfinder-Society-scenarios-that-have#662022-06-26T15:36:15Z2022-06-26T15:36:15Z<p>Hi everyone! To help prepare my family for Gen Con online, can anyone by any chance add to the list of PFS scenarios I’ve collected below that have potentially non-violent solutions / endings?</p>
<p>The last addition looks like it was from around 2020. Please contribute if you can. Thank you!</p>
<p>Compilation of Suggestions and votes in order by Edition and #
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Pathfinder Adventure Path: Kingmaker •2
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Pathfinder Adventure Path: Hell's Rebels •2
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Pathfinder Adventure Path: Skull & Shackles •4
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Pathfinder Adventure Path: Strength of Thousands •2
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Pathfinder Adventure Path #127: Crownfall (War for the Crown 1 of 6)
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Pathfinder Adventure Path: Songbird, Scion, Saboteur (War for the Crown 2 of 6)
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Pathfinder Bounty #4: Cat's Cradle
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Pathfinder Chronicles: City of Strangers
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PF1 #3-01: The Frostfur Captives
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PF1 #4–11: The Disappeared •2
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PF1 #4–19: The Night March of Kalkamedes
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PF1 #5–11: Library of the Lion
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PF1 #6–07: Valley of Veiled Flame
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PF1 #6–18: From Under Ice
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PF1 #7–03: The Bronze House Reprisal
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PF1 #7–05: School of Spirits
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PF1 #7–22: Bid for Alabastrine
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PF1 #8-17: Refugees of the Weary Sky
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PF1 #9-06: The Shores of Heaven
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PF1 #9-14: Down the Verdant Path
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PF1 #9-22: Grotto of the Deluged God
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PF2 #1-01: The Absalom Initiation
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PF2 #1-05: Trailblazers’ Bounty
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PF2 #1-06: Lost on the Spirit Road
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PF2 #1-07: Flooded King's Court
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PF2 #1-08: Revolution on the Riverside •2
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PF2 #1-10: Tarnbreaker's Trail •2
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PF2 #1-12: "The Burden of Envy"
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PF2 #1-15: The Blooming Catastrophe
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PF2 #1-18: Lodge of the Living God •2
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PF2 #1-23: The Star-Crossed Court
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PF2 #2-02 Mountain of Sea and Sky</p>Hi everyone! To help prepare my family for Gen Con online, can anyone by any chance add to the list of PFS scenarios I’ve collected below that have potentially non-violent solutions / endings?
The last addition looks like it was from around 2020. Please contribute if you can. Thank you!
Compilation of Suggestions and votes in order by Edition and #
Pathfinder Adventure Path: Kingmaker *2
Pathfinder Adventure Path: Hell's Rebels *2
Pathfinder Adventure Path: Skull & Shackles *4
Pathfinder...oteta2022-06-26T15:36:15ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Pathfinder Society scenarios that have non-violent endings or solutions, or are non-violent or focus on non-violenceotetahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs433pb&page=2?Pathfinder-Society-scenarios-that-have#652020-11-16T21:10:11Z2020-11-16T21:10:11Z<p>Good afternoon, all. Hope you’re well. Here’s a link to some non-Society, non-violence focused adventures I came across: Playground Adventures. I read “A Friend in Need” and found it refreshing and fun.</p>
<p>https://www.playgroundadventures.net/</p>
<p>Hope it’s interesting and helpful. Stay safe, folks.</p>Good afternoon, all. Hope you’re well. Here’s a link to some non-Society, non-violence focused adventures I came across: Playground Adventures. I read “A Friend in Need” and found it refreshing and fun.
https://www.playgroundadventures.net/
Hope it’s interesting and helpful. Stay safe, folks.oteta2020-11-16T21:10:11ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Pathfinder Society scenarios that have non-violent endings or solutions, or are non-violent or focus on non-violenceotetahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs433pb&page=2?Pathfinder-Society-scenarios-that-have#642020-08-11T02:12:11Z2020-08-11T02:12:11Z<p>PS: Here are a couple suggestions from the forum about non-violent Adventure Paths:</p>
<p>Pathfinder Adventure Path: Skull & Shackles
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Pathfinder Adventure Path #127: Crownfall (War for the Crown 1 of 6)</p>
<p>https://paizo.com/threads/rzs433p8?Pathfinder-Adventure-Paths-with-nonviole nt</p>
<p>'Night, all!</p>PS: Here are a couple suggestions from the forum about non-violent Adventure Paths:
Pathfinder Adventure Path: Skull & Shackles
Pathfinder Adventure Path #127: Crownfall (War for the Crown 1 of 6)
https://paizo.com/threads/rzs433p8?Pathfinder-Adventure-Paths-with-nonviole nt
'Night, all!oteta2020-08-11T02:12:11ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Pathfinder Society scenarios that have non-violent endings or solutions, or are non-violent or focus on non-violenceotetahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs433pb&page=2?Pathfinder-Society-scenarios-that-have#632020-08-11T01:55:25Z2020-08-11T01:55:25Z<p>Good evening, all. I have compiled the list of suggested scenarios and put it in order by edition and scenario #. The •2s mean that the scenario was recommended by two people. I hope it's helpful.</p>
<p>An interesting thing to note about the list is that it leans heavily toward 2nd edition. Is that because the scenarios are fresh in people's minds, 2e players are more active on the forum now, or Paizo has leaned 2e adventures toward plots which can be resolved non-violently?</p>
<p>Also, if anyone happens to come up with more suggestions, please feel free to post it here. Peace!</p>
<p>Compilation of Suggestions in order by Edition and #
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Pathfinder Chronicles: City of Strangers
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PF1 #1-07: Flooded King's Court
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PF1 #3-01: The Frostfur Captives
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PF1 #4–11: The Disappeared •2
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PF1 #4–19: The Night March of Kalkamedes
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PF1 #5–11: Library of the Lion
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PF1 #6–07: Valley of Veiled Flame
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PF1 #6–18: From Under Ice
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PF1 #7–03: The Bronze House Reprisal
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PF1 #7–05: School of Spirits
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PF1 #7–22: Bid for Alabastrine
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PF1 #8-17: Refugees of the Weary Sky
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PF1 #9-06: The Shores of Heaven
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PF1 #9-14: Down the Verdant Path
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PF1 #9-22: Grotto of the Deluged God
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PF2 #1-01: The Absalom Initiation
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PF2 #1-05: Trailblazers’ Bounty
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PF2 #1-06: Lost on the Spirit Road
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PF2 #1-08: Revolution on the Riverside •2
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PF2 #1-10: Tarnbreaker's Trail •2
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PF2 #1-12: "The Burden of Envy"
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PF2 #1-15: The Blooming Catastrophe
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PF2 #1-18: Lodge of the Living God •2
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PF2 #1-23: The Star-Crossed Court
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PF2 #2-02 Mountain of Sea and Sky</p>Good evening, all. I have compiled the list of suggested scenarios and put it in order by edition and scenario #. The *2s mean that the scenario was recommended by two people. I hope it's helpful.
An interesting thing to note about the list is that it leans heavily toward 2nd edition. Is that because the scenarios are fresh in people's minds, 2e players are more active on the forum now, or Paizo has leaned 2e adventures toward plots which can be resolved non-violently?
Also, if anyone...oteta2020-08-11T01:55:25ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Pathfinder Society scenarios that have non-violent endings or solutions, or are non-violent or focus on non-violenceotetahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs433pb&page=2?Pathfinder-Society-scenarios-that-have#622020-08-05T02:47:35Z2020-08-05T02:47:35Z<p>PS: Oops, I see a couple folks mentioned "Flooded King's Court" already!</p>PS: Oops, I see a couple folks mentioned "Flooded King's Court" already!oteta2020-08-05T02:47:35ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Pathfinder Society scenarios that have non-violent endings or solutions, or are non-violent or focus on non-violenceotetahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs433pb&page=2?Pathfinder-Society-scenarios-that-have#612020-08-05T22:36:43Z2020-08-04T13:00:06Z<p>'Morning all. I hope you are well, and, for those who could participate, I hope you enjoyed GenCon! At the Con, my family and I were able to play a couple of scenarios that had self-defense and then potential, non-violent conclusions:</p>
<p>1ed PFS #4-19: The Night March of Kalkamedes (levels 1-5)
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2ed PFS #1-07: Flooded King's Court (levels 1-4)</p>
<p>Interestingly, the family member I was playing with said that, out of all the scenarios they'd played, they enjoyed these scenarios the most. I hope it's helpful.</p>
<p>This post reminds me of another strategy that focuses on non-violence that I did not mention in my list of ways to write scenarios non-violently, which is an emphasis of self defense.</p>
<p>As you come across more Pathfinder Society scenarios that have non-violent endings or solutions, or are non-violent or focus on non-violence, please feel free to post them here, everyone.</p>
<p>Have a great day!</p>'Morning all. I hope you are well, and, for those who could participate, I hope you enjoyed GenCon! At the Con, my family and I were able to play a couple of scenarios that had self-defense and then potential, non-violent conclusions:
1ed PFS #4-19: The Night March of Kalkamedes (levels 1-5)
2ed PFS #1-07: Flooded King's Court (levels 1-4)
Interestingly, the family member I was playing with said that, out of all the scenarios they'd played, they enjoyed these scenarios the most. I hope it's...oteta2020-08-04T13:00:06ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Pathfinder Society scenarios that have non-violent endings or solutions, or are non-violent or focus on non-violenceotetahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs433pb&page=2?Pathfinder-Society-scenarios-that-have#602020-07-31T16:08:42Z2020-07-31T15:18:36Z<p>Thank you, James, for your suggestion and your work on Organized Play! Enjoy GenCon everyone!</p>Thank you, James, for your suggestion and your work on Organized Play! Enjoy GenCon everyone!oteta2020-07-31T15:18:36ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Pathfinder Society scenarios that have non-violent endings or solutions, or are non-violent or focus on non-violenceJames Case (Senior Designer)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs433pb&page=2?Pathfinder-Society-scenarios-that-have#592022-06-30T23:49:23Z2020-07-31T15:15:35Z<p>Now that GenCon has started and the Year 2 PFS scenarios have started to creep out into the world, I'd like to add <a href="https://paizo.com/products/btq024wz?Pathfinder-Society-Scenario-202-Mountain-of-Sea-and-Sky" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><i>2-02 Mountain of Sea and Sky</i></a> to the list, which is an Envoy's Alliance mission and has a heavy focus on diplomacy. It'll be out officially next month!</p>Now that GenCon has started and the Year 2 PFS scenarios have started to creep out into the world, I'd like to add 2-02 Mountain of Sea and Sky to the list, which is an Envoy's Alliance mission and has a heavy focus on diplomacy. It'll be out officially next month!James Case (Senior Designer)2020-07-31T15:15:35ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Pathfinder Society scenarios that have non-violent endings or solutions, or are non-violent or focus on non-violenceWatery Souphttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs433pb&page=2?Pathfinder-Society-scenarios-that-have#582020-07-29T16:12:02Z2020-07-29T16:12:02Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Rysky wrote:</div><blockquote>I was specifically talking about the phrasing of "could you" which has peculiar results</blockquote><p>There are 200,000 words in the English language, I'm sure that someone who wants to communicate effectively can find something that works.Rysky wrote:I was specifically talking about the phrasing of "could you" which has peculiar results
There are 200,000 words in the English language, I'm sure that someone who wants to communicate effectively can find something that works.Watery Soup2020-07-29T16:12:02ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Pathfinder Society scenarios that have non-violent endings or solutions, or are non-violent or focus on non-violenceotetahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs433pb&page=2?Pathfinder-Society-scenarios-that-have#572020-07-28T15:59:57Z2020-07-28T15:59:57Z<p>Good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for the continued, interesting conversation.</p>
<p>Saashaa, sorry I didn’t reply earlier. While gameplay with young people is one of my motivations for exploring non-violence in Pathfinder, we have to start with the person in the mirror, namely, us, older players (some, like me, older than others!) because from us flow the ideas for the stories that we tell.</p>
<p>Kevin, thank you very much for the detailed explanation about how the new system for dying could be used to save more NPCs from death. While I agree with most of your points, I still do not like the distinction made between significant and insignificant NPCs in the rules. With regard to violence, saying that there is such thing as an insignificant NPC is as fraught with problems as saying in real life that there is such a thing as an insignificant person. I would strongly prefer that this distinction be removed from the rules.</p>Good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for the continued, interesting conversation.
Saashaa, sorry I didn’t reply earlier. While gameplay with young people is one of my motivations for exploring non-violence in Pathfinder, we have to start with the person in the mirror, namely, us, older players (some, like me, older than others!) because from us flow the ideas for the stories that we tell.
Kevin, thank you very much for the detailed explanation about how the new system for dying could be used to...oteta2020-07-28T15:59:57ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Pathfinder Society scenarios that have non-violent endings or solutions, or are non-violent or focus on non-violenceRyskyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs433pb&page=2?Pathfinder-Society-scenarios-that-have#552020-07-27T17:56:57Z2020-07-27T17:56:57Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Watery Soup wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Rysky wrote:</div><blockquote> In an optimistic situation perhaps, but I've seen plenty of rage induced meltdowns when you starts a sentence with "could you" in regards to someone doing something offensive, with or without their knowing. </blockquote><p>If someone is afraid of a rage induced meltdown if they bring it up directly, then they shouldn't bring it up indirectly either, and definitely not in a thread where I might see it.
<p>They always have the option of not bringing it up at all and just Reporting the post to Paizo. That's why some of us use that button, when either we don't have the power to handle it, are uncomfortable wading in, or just don't want to deal with it. </blockquote><p>I was specifically talking about the phrasing of "could you" which has peculiar results, not on bringing it up at all.
<p>Also, "if you think someone will become angry over calling them on saying something bad then you shouldn't say anything at all" is not a good take.</p>Watery Soup wrote:Rysky wrote: In an optimistic situation perhaps, but I've seen plenty of rage induced meltdowns when you starts a sentence with "could you" in regards to someone doing something offensive, with or without their knowing.
If someone is afraid of a rage induced meltdown if they bring it up directly, then they shouldn't bring it up indirectly either, and definitely not in a thread where I might see it. They always have the option of not bringing it up at all and just Reporting...Rysky2020-07-27T17:56:57ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Pathfinder Society scenarios that have non-violent endings or solutions, or are non-violent or focus on non-violenceBelafonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs433pb&page=2?Pathfinder-Society-scenarios-that-have#542022-06-30T06:16:53Z2020-07-27T13:08:01Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">oteta wrote:</div><blockquote>Kevin, I’m not sure I understand how the new Death rule makes the game more flexible with regard to NPC death. It only seems more limiting than the PF1ed. </blockquote><p>With the understanding that the rules on NPC death have always been "whatever the GM says they are":
<p>A PF1 GM trying to "exactly follow the rules" has to track each individual NPC's hit points even once they are negative. Make stabilization rolls and continue subtracting hit points. In PF2 the GM can just say "these three don't matter, they die at zero. The story-critical woman won't, so they'll have at least 3 turns to save her." (Or, conversely, use the dying rules for everyone if the party likes to bring everyone back for trial.)</p>
<p>Essentially the PF2 rules just codify that it's OK for the GM to assume the mooks are dead and speed the game along. I actually like the Starfinder rule even better, which says the GM can choose to make any dropped NPC dead or stable without rolling anything if he wants to.</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>
<p>The second reason the dying rules are more flexible is that in PF1 - starting about 7th level or so - it is actually pretty hard to keep NPCs alive unless you are focusing on non-lethal attacks and spells. Especially after 10th level. Because PCs do a lot of damage per attack NPCs often go from fighting to outright dead in one hit. Similarly, if you knock an NPC below 0 hp in PF1, then any AoE (<i>fireball</i>) will almost certainly kill it. In PF2 the GM starts the count at <b>Dying 1</b> and you've got at least a couple of rounds - or a couple of <i>fireball</i>s - to capture the NPC.</p>oteta wrote:Kevin, I’m not sure I understand how the new Death rule makes the game more flexible with regard to NPC death. It only seems more limiting than the PF1ed.
With the understanding that the rules on NPC death have always been "whatever the GM says they are": A PF1 GM trying to "exactly follow the rules" has to track each individual NPC's hit points even once they are negative. Make stabilization rolls and continue subtracting hit points. In PF2 the GM can just say "these three don't...Belafon2020-07-27T13:08:01ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Pathfinder Society scenarios that have non-violent endings or solutions, or are non-violent or focus on non-violenceotetahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs433pb&page=2?Pathfinder-Society-scenarios-that-have#532020-07-27T03:38:26Z2020-07-27T03:38:26Z<p>Please let’s avoid personal comments.</p>
<p>Kevin, I’m not sure I understand how the new Death rule makes the game more flexible with regard to NPC death. It only seems more limiting than the PF1ed.</p>Please let’s avoid personal comments.
Kevin, I’m not sure I understand how the new Death rule makes the game more flexible with regard to NPC death. It only seems more limiting than the PF1ed.oteta2020-07-27T03:38:26ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Pathfinder Society scenarios that have non-violent endings or solutions, or are non-violent or focus on non-violenceBigNorseWolfhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs433pb&page=2?Pathfinder-Society-scenarios-that-have#522020-11-17T03:22:42Z2020-07-27T01:51:59Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Watery Soup wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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<p>If someone is afraid of a rage induced meltdown </blockquote><p>so THATS how you became watery soup...Watery Soup wrote:If someone is afraid of a rage induced meltdown
so THATS how you became watery soup...BigNorseWolf2020-07-27T01:51:59ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Pathfinder Society scenarios that have non-violent endings or solutions, or are non-violent or focus on non-violenceWatery Souphttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs433pb&page=2?Pathfinder-Society-scenarios-that-have#512020-07-27T17:18:01Z2020-07-27T00:47:48Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Rysky wrote:</div><blockquote> In an optimistic situation perhaps, but I've seen plenty of rage induced meltdowns when you starts a sentence with "could you" in regards to someone doing something offensive, with or without their knowing. </blockquote><p>If someone is afraid of a rage induced meltdown if they bring it up directly, then they shouldn't bring it up indirectly either, and definitely not in a thread where I might see it.
<p>They always have the option of not bringing it up at all and just Reporting the post to Paizo. That's why some of us use that button, when either we don't have the power to handle it, are uncomfortable wading in, or just don't want to deal with it.</p>Rysky wrote:In an optimistic situation perhaps, but I've seen plenty of rage induced meltdowns when you starts a sentence with "could you" in regards to someone doing something offensive, with or without their knowing.
If someone is afraid of a rage induced meltdown if they bring it up directly, then they shouldn't bring it up indirectly either, and definitely not in a thread where I might see it. They always have the option of not bringing it up at all and just Reporting the post to Paizo....Watery Soup2020-07-27T00:47:48Z