How much of a level increase do you think copying a book would be worth I'm leaning towards 2?


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Scarab Sages

So I've been flipping through the spells and this one caught my eye . . .

Copy
School evocation; Level bard 1, sorcerer/wizard 1
Casting Time 1 round
Components V, S, M (a drop of black ink), F (a blank page)
Range touch
Area one page or book
Duration instantaneous
Saving Throw Will negates (object, see text); Spell Resistance yes (object)

Copy enables you to make a perfect duplicate of any written or drawn document (legal documents, letters, maps, and so on). To copy text, you simply hold a blank piece of parchment or paper over the object to be duplicated during the casting. The amount of text that can be copied in a single casting is limited to 10 pages.

If the target being copied is currently in a creature’s possession, the object receives a saving throw.

Magical writings (such as scrolls) cannot be copied. Attempting to use this spell to copy a spellbook results in pages of indecipherable code.

Copyright: Book of Lost Spells

I want to make 2 changes to this spell.

1) Rather than being limited to 10 pages it copies a full book regardless of number of pages.
2) Its a duplicate of the book as if it were new. This only affects time not damage e.g. your copy would look clean and in good condition but if say a page was burnt it would not be restored by this spell and the new book would have a burnt page as well. (This would also alter the cost if the book has gems or the like you need them to be provided as well)

No other restrictions are removed e.g. it still wont copy magical writings. How much of a level increase do you think duplicating a book perfectly would be worth? I'm leaning towards upping it to a 3rd level with the aformentioned component alteration.

With maybe a higher 8 or 9th level spell that will just duplicate the book with no need of any more than a drop of ink and gp worth of components over 1 e.g. a diary would be duplicated with that using just a drop of ink but a diary with 6 gems on it would require those gems but not a book/piece of paper.


Material Component: Incenses equal to the market price of the target.

Spells like this don't let you make a profit. Also change this to a conjuration(summoning). That results in a permanent item.

Add a little bit to the flavor text: This creates a duplicate of the target book that detects as magic (conjuration, weak).

This is to make it 'obvious' which book is the duplicate, and to prevent copies of the duplicate being produced in the same way.


This seems to me to be an even more powerful version of fabricate since fabricate would only create a book, not a book filled with text. Although the limiter of only working on books would also bring the spell level back down. I think I would stick with 5th.

Sovereign Court

There is a similar spell Steal Book that seems to do most of what you want... except it also erases the original text. You also need to provide the book that the contents will be moved to, so you would need to mundanely (or separately, magically) create a look-alike if that was your goal. There is also an item based on the spell, Book Thief's Satchel.

It is only a level 3 spell, and is Divination for what its worth. If you were going to go Conjuration as someone else mentioned, I would suggest Conjuration(Creation) over (Summoning) since it creates a permanent item... unless you want a duration. So I would lean toward a 4th level if it doesn't erase text (since that will tend to be more advantageous).

Scarab Sages

Happy enough with the material component = market price this is just to duplicate written text not make a profit. However I do want the duplicate to be the same as the original so I think I'll leave off the radiates magic. I will also go with transmutation because you aren't creating new beyond the ink with this first stage version.

Steal book seems a good starting point. So you'd have copy book at 1 that cuts out at 10 pages, steal book that transfers it at 3 with a risk of text loss and duplicate at 5 that transforms a copy into a duplicate. How does this look. . .

Duplicate record
School Transmutation; Level bard 5, sorcerer/wizard 5
Casting Time 1 round
Components V, S, M (See text)
Range touch
Area one piece of writing
Duration instantaneous
Saving Throw Will negates (object, see text); Spell Resistance yes (object)

Duplicate record enables you to make a perfect duplicate of any written or drawn document (legal documents, letters, maps, books, folios and so on) as if it were new. Note while the duplicate will not have any minor wear or tear that the original has if information has been lost due to that damage e.g water damage rendering part of a map unreadable or some pages of the book have been torn out that information is NOT recreated and that part of the new duplicate will be blank.

To copy the object you need to provide an equivalent blank item e.g. a blank book for a book, blank map parchment for a map, a blank folio for a folio and so on. The blank duplicate is transformed into an exact replica of the original as described above.

If the target being copied is currently in a creature’s possession, the object receives a saving throw should they not wish it copied.

Magical writings (such as scrolls) cannot be copied. Attempting to use this spell to copy a spellbook or scroll results in pages of indecipherable gibberish. Items that are not writing e.g. a cup can not be duplicated by this spell.

If the original had rare or precious elements e.g. gems in the cover worth more than 1 GP then equivalent value items must be provided to be incorporated into the duplicate or the spell fails.

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