ACP Delays, Race Boons, and Rebuilds Question

[tivadar27]

So... I've been scoping out a Leshy that I'd really like to play. ACP purchases have obviously been delayed, and right now I've got 2 tables of credit on my character (8xp). I'm playing some events at ConCurrent and wondering the following:

1) I'm assuming you can purchase a leshy boon on any 1st level character, and it doesn't need to be a fresh character?
2) If you also get a respec boon, can you purchase a leshy boon on a character that's higher level?

Asking mostly because I need to know if I need to *stop* playing this character (where I'm proxying Goblin for Leshy) because attaining level 2 would prevent me from actually playing a Leshy...

[GM Tomppa]

1. Yes. also note that you can freely rebuild your character as long as You haven't played it at level 2+ so, a character with 12 xp (technically level 2) can still be freely rebuild (because you haven't yet locked down the character by playing it at level 2).
2. Yes. Rebuilding encompases all aspects of the PC, including race.

So, you can play your guy as much as you want. The announcement also said that they'll keep the free rebuild for 2 weeks after the AcP launches, so you can play your guy even to level 3+ if you want to, and when the AcP finally launches, buy the rebuild, and then buy the leshy boon. (provided you have enough AcP for the leshy).

[Nefreet]

I'm leery to assume that's how Boon races will be handled in this edition.

The safer bet is to just be patient until everything is functioning.

[Blake's Tiger]

Yeah. That’s how we expect to work, but we don’t know if the website will be that smart.

Easiest is if the website doesn’t check for validity of applying a race boon. The downside being if you click the wrong character or hit the mouse wheel accidentally at the wrong moment. That is, however, a problem for any boon... so we’ll have to see if there’s an undo or other method to fix those mistakes.

Bottom line: lots of unknowns.

[tivadar27]

Yeah, I'm asking in the hopes of getting something like an official ruling, though I know that's a pretty unlikely thing... If it's "I think it will, but we don't know", I might just not play adventures or apply them to a different unfleshed-out character to avoid potential issues.

@GM Tomppa: Do you have anything to back this up (citing quotes from developers/rules I don't know about)? So far as I can tell, not a lot has been specified as of now.

[NielsenE]

Definitely think its just a bit too unknown to even guess. But I think the two most likely cases wouldn't matter for your hypothetical (8xp versus 12 exp)

Possibility one)
'Ancestry boons must be applied to a 0xp character' that's been true for some of SFS, iirc. (Along with a significant amount of angst over how it interacts with GM babies/various capstone boons, etc) In which case ANY exp is too much, so there's no difference between one scenarios or 3 scenarios.

Possibility two)
It could also be a full rebuild that lets you swap in an ancestry boon, (which against might mean no difference between your 4xp and a hypothetical 12 exp one.

I have a hard time picturing a ruling that would say its ok to use an ACP-costed (even the 0 costed one) to change the ancestry at X>0 xp, but not Y>X xp.

[Blake's Tiger]

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I have a hard time picturing a ruling that would say its ok to use an ACP-costed (even the 0 costed one) to change the ancestry at X>0 xp, but not Y>X xp.

I can see where that might be allowed, especially the free one expiring 2 weeks after "AcP-Go Live," but it's all just hypothetical and supposition.

[tivadar27]

Blake's Tiger wrote:

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I have a hard time picturing a ruling that would say its ok to use an ACP-costed (even the 0 costed one) to change the ancestry at X>0 xp, but not Y>X xp.

I can see where that might be allowed, especially the free one expiring 2 weeks after "AcP-Go Live," but it's all just hypothetical and supposition.

Many of the Faction mentor boons can be applied to a character with 12 experience or fewer/less, which is why I was assuming these might be similar.

[GM Tomppa]

rebuiling your character wrote:

You may find that there are aspects of your character where you’re not entirely sure about your decisions, such as the ancestry or class feat you chose. Don’t worry! While your character is 1st level, you can rebuild as often as you need to, changing any of these choices. Until you play a game in which your character has 12 or more XP, you can freely rebuild your character completely except for Reputation earned and character number. Once you begin a session as a second level character, you still have options for changing your character’s choices. In addition to retraining, in which your character spends their Downtime to swap out individual features of their build, you can earn boons that allow you to rebuild your character more extensively.

It's pretty clear that level 1 rebuild can be used to change your ancestry, so unless the text is changed or the boons have a specific wording to prevent that, this also applies to boon races.

Given that the boon rebuild uses the same wording (rebuild vs something else), I see no reason to assume that somehow, one rebuild would be different from another rebuild in what may or may not be changed.

(Granted, maybe boons will say that "can only be applies to a character with 0 xp, but that's a bridge we'll burn when we get there.)

[Nefreet]

GM Tomppa wrote:

or the boons have a specific wording to prevent that

This is the part that many of us are worried about, given Leadership's past trepidation in allowing this very type of rebuild.

[tivadar27]

To the above two posts, yeah, @Tomppa, I see what you're saying. I guess I"m just worried about what Nefreet mentions, that there will be wording preventing you from applying the boon to a character with more than 0 XP. In which case, respec doesn't help :-P. I hope they won't go that way, but trying to err on the side of caution with this one... Hopefully ACP come on line soon, or they preview the boons with a bit more detail.