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During paizo con online they announced this new book for 2E that will Add androids for Pathfinder 2E and on the cover is a very familiar looking android that I think will make lots of fans of this ap happy. I would love to hear what James Jacobs has to say about it :)
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Sadly in a stream I asked James Jacobs about this art and he said it looking like Meyanda is likely a coincidence of the commissioned artist drawing heavily from provided reference art of androids including Meyanda. and that in his eyes the cannon outcome of book 1 has Meyanda die.
Either way it is a nice reference for those of us who like her character or groups who chose not to kill her to imagine she is still alive and maybe doing good in the name of Brigh or Casandalee now.
What is the most common outcome for Meyanda?
Given that many groups have now run Iron Gods, or at least Fires of Creation, how often does she survive?
What is the most common outcome for Meyanda?
Given that many groups have now run Iron Gods, or at least Fires of Creation, how often does she survive?
My PCs spared her and she is in the Torch jail with Sanvil Trett.
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What is the most common outcome for Meyanda?
Given that many groups have now run Iron Gods, or at least Fires of Creation, how often does she survive?
In my campaign, Meyanda was caught by the party, secretly imprisoned by the town council in the basement of a councilor's house, and escaped. Hellion died before she finished the journey to Scrapwall. Due to her connection to Hellion, Meyanda spontaneously developed an oracle curse and her cleric levels converted to apocalypse oracle levels. She led the remains of the Lords of Rust out of Scrapwall right before the Technic League took over the town.
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My players just blasted her to bits. When I played the first time, I think we captured her and she remained in Torch.
After she appealed to our android, our android sent her through a crisis of faith and she ended the combat abandoned by her god after he tried to use her body to shoot the reactor. She came out okay tho'.
Sadly in a stream I asked James Jacobs about this art and he said it looking like Meyanda is likely a coincidence of the commissioned artist drawing heavily from provided reference art of androids including Meyanda. and that in his eyes the cannon outcome of book 1 has Meyanda die.
Is it too late to say I hate this? I would adore have a redeemed Meyanda in the world.
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Just a +1 to say that Meyanda was redeemed in our campaign as well. I liked her as an NPC.
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In our campaign we spared her. Our Warpriest of Iomedae made his faith collapse and tried to make her follow Iomedae, but she refused. It was the words of our cleric of Gorum (my character) what interested her. She converted to Gorum.
It was a highlight of the campaign.
Later, when at the 5th book we moved to the capital one of the players decided to retire his android in Torch and took the reins of Meyanda to follow the Red Talons against Unity.
So now she is a full PC as we play the last bits of the last book.
Party I run campaign for recruited Meyanda and she is now CN cleric of Hellion.
...Yes she is Hellion's cleric still. Why? Because party Fallout speech'd Hellion to change alignment to CN :P
I know this is an old comment, but I'd /love/ to hear what Hellion is a god of.
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I know this is an old comment, but I'd /love/ to hear what Hellion is a god of.Party I run campaign for recruited Meyanda and she is now CN cleric of Hellion.
...Yes she is Hellion's cleric still. Why? Because party Fallout speech'd Hellion to change alignment to CN :P
Hellion promises power to outcasts, but does not stand for any principles. It delivers low levels of divine power to its acolytes, so that they can help Hellion gather more power.
Page 56 of Lords of Rust in the NPC gallery entry on Hellion says, "Hellion grants access to the domains of Artifice, Chaos, Evil, and Madness, and to the subdomains of Construct, Entropy, Insanity, and Toil. Its symbol is a mechanical talon, and its favored weapon is the spiked gauntlet."
Hellion objected to slavery under Unity, so it thinks it opposes slavery. Yet it rules over the Lords of Rust with a iron fist holy symbol, ruthlessly punishing any failure. It is a tyrant without law, wielding cruelty and intimidation over an unorganized gang.
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I never further joined in on the discussion here but both times I have run book 1 Meyanda made it out alive. The first time the party bloodrager crit her to death but the party used the contingency scroll of res for Kohnnir to bring her back and kept her as a prioser / informant to help them in Scrapwall thought she still shouted the praises of Hellion and hoped to escape and get revenge at the right moment.
The 2nd time I ran it the party got total upper hand and ambushed her when she came out of the reactor room to hold her daily sermon only to find all her goons dead. The party android tried to talk sense into her but decided dealing with Hellion and scrapwall was of imminent importance so the party left Meyanda prisoner in torch. After which I decided after the party were in Scrapwall and making good progress for Meyanda to escape from Torch and grab a cache of stored gear and go to Scrapwall and either foil the party or earn back her favor with Hellion or betry him depending on how the party fight with him goes as I feel Hellion would not be shy to trash any followers who fail him and hearing this would finally wake Meyanda to the truth that she was a pawn and with the help of the party and the Town of Torch that Brigh or eventually Casandalee would be more worth of her devotion.
I’d love to see that JJ comment get walked back and Meyanda in an Iron Gods sequel, personally. We don’t really have any prominent android NPCs, no? Especially not characters of faith.
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No with Casandalee's ascension there isn't a good candidate.
When I was asking him about it in those Kingmaker streams he said that adventures need to have villains and they are meant to die but when I asked him similar questions about
I think maybe at the point that Iron Gods came out James didn't get to put as much love into individual characters like he did with Rise and Sandpoint.
So players really liked Meyanda but he did her due diligence in making her a cool character but isn't attached like us and feels she needs the Illidan treatment as it were.
Maybe a good way forward is for Meyanda's body to rebirth a new soul who serves Brigh or Casandalee and the occasional dreams of their past life motivates them to make a better life for other of her kind so that another angry resentful lost android like Meyanda doesn't have to suffer again.
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Maybe a good way forward is for Meyanda's body to rebirth a new soul who serves Brigh or Casandalee and the occasional dreams of their past life motivates them to make a better life for other of her kind so that another angry resentful lost android like Meyanda doesn't have to suffer again.
If I can't get a redeemed Meyanda in play (which is still my preference), this is a really clever way to highlight a way Pathfinder's androids are unique and would get us a cool character. I like it!
The revival of this thread did make me curious, so I went back to revisit the first book of Iron Gods, and I was surprised how much the text stresses Meyanda's capability for redemption. It gets underscored twice, in separate sections of the book (emphasis mine):
Of course, if the PCs manage to befriend or otherwise control Meyanda’s actions rather than killing her, they can simply have her restore the reactor’s fail-safe — she can do so automatically.
Though she is fanatically devoted to Hellion and fights to the death, canny PCs realize that she may well know much that can help them, and may try to capture her alive. In time, with enough exposure to other societies and personalities, she may even learn to admit the error of her ways and grow to realize that she is more human than machine — at your option, a reformed or redeemed Meyanda could become a cohort or even a replacement PC.
Her writeup also states that her violence towards humans is more memory of her past life than it is a hatred she believes in. I think there's enough effort made to paint her capable of redemption that it would be interesting and satisfying to get her back someday.
It's not like Numeria has a wealth of existing NPCs to draw on, and neither do both the androids as a people and the fledgling church of Casandalee.
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When I was asking him about it in those Kingmaker streams he said that adventures need to have villains and they are meant to die but when I asked him similar questions about ** spoiler omitted **
Yeah already sounds like a less than great argument since they have already had one major villain survivie one ap.
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When I was asking him about it in those Kingmaker streams he said that adventures need to have villains and they are meant to die but when I asked him similar questions about Nualia from RotR:
Spoiler:he feels like she should survive and that she could have interesting future .
And, yet, with all the HORRIBLE things that Sorshen has done , somehow she gets the "golden ticket" to redemption.
Hmmm ... in other words, if a character is a favorite of James Jacobs they qualify for Redemption.
Something is definitely wrong here.
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My players killed Meyanda dead. Couldn't see any chance of redemption for her. But somehow got along with the transdimensional murdertyrant that is Zagmaander. They even walked through a much more dramatized cave of her victims, complete with corpse mural with allusions to the Alien movies all over, and still seemingly got along much better once they started talking. This is including the fact that she very much was known to the party as to what she both was, had done and intended to keep doing once freed.
I think my party is just really mercernary, or I did a really good voice for Zagmaander. They also captured, interrogated then took Sanvil up to the top of the mound to be shot in the back of the head and buried in a shallow grave. Probably one of the most cold blooded things I've seen from the group and really set the tone going forward.
Anyway, I would have liked for Meyanda to stick around in canon. She's a cool character, and her backstory really is actually something I think the outlined ending of that book struggled to convey well, or for players to recognize they could turn her to their side. I get the sense that giving ways in which she could be redeemed was mostly to help with 'what if' scenarios and they wrote with the expectation that she wasn't going to survive, nor do the party have much of an excuse to keep her alive after what she's been doing. Shame really, I actually liked the conflicted villain she represented.
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When I was asking him about it in those Kingmaker streams he said that adventures need to have villains and they are meant to die but when I asked him similar questions about Nualia from RotR:
** spoiler omitted **And, yet, with all the HORRIBLE things that Sorshen has done , somehow she gets the "golden ticket" to redemption.
Hmmm ... in other words, if a character is a favorite of James Jacobs they qualify for Redemption.
Something is definitely wrong here.
Especially when said redemption comes out of nowhere with years (If not a decade.) of build up suggesting the opposite
Also Frankly sorhsen IMO is literally one of the worst choices of characters for a redemption story (and I say that as someone who tends to enjoy said story's)