Need help with Lymnieris (Empyreal Lord) Warning not a PG thread probably.


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I'll cut to the chase here. I've been running a lot of short games and one of my players has decided to fallow Lymnieris and take Celestial Obedience. Pazio I must simply ask what the hell? You censor the strangest things but have this in the game? So now I have to ask cuz I have no freaking idea, how does one commit Lymnieris Celestial Obedience?

Note: Can't get the spoiler thing to work so just look it up on Nethys.


Just handwaive it. As long as the player states that he/she is performing the obedience its fine. Search for energygasm if you are really interested.


that is not a real problem as long as you just rp that thee character does it.

but yes. some obediences are hard to do. my problem is that a lot of the evil ones demand sacrifice of intelligent creatures.
and doing it on a daily basis which let's face it is NOT always easy to come by for the characters, that can lead to many of them loosing a lot more then just the boons, in case of prc that are based on them (evangelist, exalted, daemonic, soul eater etc etc etc).

-oh look your on a voyage at sea for a month and out of people to kill beside your party members. guess that until you get new ones you'l loose every benefit of your last 1-10 levels in that prc...

-but what about that guy with prc that follows the lg god is he ok?

-yea, he just lay back and...


Some good gods also have obediences that are nigh impossible to accomplish. Where is a Ragathiel worshipper able to find a proven wrongdoer every morning to execute? Is he going to tow a herd of criminals on his adventures and just chop one head off after breakfast?


WagnerSika wrote:
Some good gods also have obediences that are nigh impossible to accomplish. Where is a Ragathiel worshipper able to find a proven wrongdoer every morning to execute? Is he going to tow a herd of criminals on his adventures and just chop one head off after breakfast?

That one really sucks cuz I like the Crimson Templar class. Problem is there is no way to play it.


Much like how you don't roleplay every time your character uses the restroom, this would likely also fall under the same background curtain.


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WagnerSika wrote:
Some good gods also have obediences that are nigh impossible to accomplish. Where is a Ragathiel worshipper able to find a proven wrongdoer every morning to execute? Is he going to tow a herd of criminals on his adventures and just chop one head off after breakfast?

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Scavion wrote:
Much like how you don't roleplay every time your character uses the restroom, this would likely also fall under the same background curtain.

i wake up in the morning, hit the loo,get dressed & eat breakfast.

before i head out i put on my black hood and pick up my headman's axe

twenty minutes later

"..What do you mean not guilty!?!"


Just make sure he packs a tent.


I'm sure he pitches one at least...


WagnerSika wrote:
Some good gods also have obediences that are nigh impossible to accomplish. Where is a Ragathiel worshipper able to find a proven wrongdoer every morning to execute? Is he going to tow a herd of criminals on his adventures and just chop one head off after breakfast?

I would just have him off a bunch of bad people in one day and say it counts for a whole month or something like that.


Yqatuba wrote:
WagnerSika wrote:
Some good gods also have obediences that are nigh impossible to accomplish. Where is a Ragathiel worshipper able to find a proven wrongdoer every morning to execute? Is he going to tow a herd of criminals on his adventures and just chop one head off after breakfast?
I would just have him off a bunch of bad people in one day and say it counts for a whole month or something like that.

Party member" "Hey LG Gorge, we've got to go travel over the mountains. Make sure to stock up."

LG Gorge: "Oh yeah like 28 days there and back? Let me just stop by the gas chamber. Oh and can I borrow your wand of cloud kill again?"

Lawful Good everyone. Lawful Good.


Is anyone else flashing back to the BoEF right now?

Things that make you go "bleughh!"

Aside from that, as much as I love the ideas, issues like this are why I feel classes like Paladins, Inquisitors, Vigilantes, and freakin' Vampire Hunters require very specific story lines/campaign styles.


Nobody asks for specifics of the Wizard preparing their spells, so just don't ask what they are doing as long as they say they are doing it.

There's no Reflex save for falling in your own cat trench, or Fortitude save for difficult poo's, because nobody cares... same thing with your preparions for your spells or deities.

Liberty's Edge

Well... that was an interesting read. At least it wasn't Calistria?


VoodistMonk wrote:

Nobody asks for specifics of the Wizard preparing their spells, so just don't ask what they are doing as long as they say they are doing it.

There's no Reflex save for falling in your own cat trench, or Fortitude save for difficult poo's, because nobody cares... same thing with your preparions for your spells or deities.

But that's the thing though, Obedience arn't automatic. You can fail to do them and then not get your buffs for the day. There's one for an evil god were you have to stand on a roof and if someone sees you, you need to hunt them down an violently murder them. That's the kind of thing you can't hand wave cuz its going to cause a ripple effect depending on who dies. That's why I ask cuz this is the sort of thing that can have repercussions as silly as that sounds.


I don't think there's too much of a problem with that particular Obedience. The Wizard goes off and reads her spellbook. The Witch goes and talks to his Familiar. The follower of Lymnieris goes off and gets off... so what?

What negative repercussions are really going to happen?

For one, who cares if they get +1 extra hp when they heal if it's going to be that big of a problem?

Secondly, can't a person go lay down on a rock somewhere and rub one out in peace? Everyone else seems to have no problem finding a quiet place to do their dumb $#!+...

Liberty's Edge

Alchemist 23 wrote:
VoodistMonk wrote:

Nobody asks for specifics of the Wizard preparing their spells, so just don't ask what they are doing as long as they say they are doing it.

There's no Reflex save for falling in your own cat trench, or Fortitude save for difficult poo's, because nobody cares... same thing with your preparions for your spells or deities.

But that's the thing though, Obedience arn't automatic. You can fail to do them and then not get your buffs for the day. There's one for an evil god were you have to stand on a roof and if someone sees you, you need to hunt them down an violently murder them. That's the kind of thing you can't hand wave cuz its going to cause a ripple effect depending on who dies. That's why I ask cuz this is the sort of thing that can have repercussions as silly as that sounds.

Hmmm I suppose it would be a type of save DC equal to 10 + Character level to convince the body to get off?

>.> So would you make it a Fort or Will DC?


It's certainly not a feat I'm capable of. I can shed tears on command, give myself goosebumps in a minute or so. But Lymnieris's obedience is a level of bodily control I don't think I could master.

I guess it's fortunate that "cowl" could be anything from a deep hood to a monk's habit. You really just need to master the bodily control and lay down once in awhile.


Alchemist 23 wrote:
VoodistMonk wrote:

Nobody asks for specifics of the Wizard preparing their spells, so just don't ask what they are doing as long as they say they are doing it.

There's no Reflex save for falling in your own cat trench, or Fortitude save for difficult poo's, because nobody cares... same thing with your preparions for your spells or deities.

But that's the thing though, Obedience arn't automatic. You can fail to do them and then not get your buffs for the day. There's one for an evil god were you have to stand on a roof and if someone sees you, you need to hunt them down an violently murder them. That's the kind of thing you can't hand wave cuz its going to cause a ripple effect depending on who dies. That's why I ask cuz this is the sort of thing that can have repercussions as silly as that sounds.

Which god works this way? Just wondering.


Yqatuba wrote:
Alchemist 23 wrote:
VoodistMonk wrote:

Nobody asks for specifics of the Wizard preparing their spells, so just don't ask what they are doing as long as they say they are doing it.

There's no Reflex save for falling in your own cat trench, or Fortitude save for difficult poo's, because nobody cares... same thing with your preparions for your spells or deities.

But that's the thing though, Obedience arn't automatic. You can fail to do them and then not get your buffs for the day. There's one for an evil god were you have to stand on a roof and if someone sees you, you need to hunt them down an violently murder them. That's the kind of thing you can't hand wave cuz its going to cause a ripple effect depending on who dies. That's why I ask cuz this is the sort of thing that can have repercussions as silly as that sounds.
Which god works this way? Just wondering.

It's Xoueron, The Horned Prince, Demon Lord of Gargoyles, Gluttony and Ruins.


VoodistMonk wrote:

I don't think there's too much of a problem with that particular Obedience. The Wizard goes off and reads her spellbook. The Witch goes and talks to his Familiar. The follower of Lymnieris goes off and gets off... so what?

What negative repercussions are really going to happen?

For one, who cares if they get +1 extra hp when they heal if it's going to be that big of a problem?

Secondly, can't a person go lay down on a rock somewhere and rub one out in peace? Everyone else seems to have no problem finding a quiet place to do their dumb $#!+...

But au contraire, you CAN'T touch yourself. Which gets back to how the hell does this work and is this the sort of thing that will have a ripple effect. If he has to say, hiring someone to help, well now we've got a player hiring an NPC and if they pissed someone off that NPC could now be an assassin. Or if they're a caster they might need to use a first level spell slot to make it work like Unseen Servant.


It sounds like it is supposed to be a mind over body thing. You literally just "release" through pure willpower, zen crap.


For those who are really interested search results are probably NSFW.
Edit: This is one obedience I would not worry too much about, it is background stuff unless you really want to it to have an effect. Ragathiel and Xoueron would be different.


Yqatuba wrote:
WagnerSika wrote:
Some good gods also have obediences that are nigh impossible to accomplish. Where is a Ragathiel worshipper able to find a proven wrongdoer every morning to execute? Is he going to tow a herd of criminals on his adventures and just chop one head off after breakfast?
I would just have him off a bunch of bad people in one day and say it counts for a whole month or something like that.
As a GM you can of course do that, but by RAW the obedience must be performed every day.
Celestial obedience wrote:
If you ever fail to perform a daily obedience, you lose all access to the benefits and boons granted by this feat until you next perform the obedience.
And in Ragathiels obedience it is further stated that
Ragathiel obedience wrote:
It is not enough for the sacrifice to have an evil heart or evil intentions; the sacrifice must have committed evil or unlawful deeds.

So it is not enough to slay a bunch of goblins during the day.

Dark Archive

You can do things with power of imagination ;P

But yeah, some obediences are kinda impossible for PCs since performing them daily is... Hard or impossible for entire campaign

Silver Crusade

Alchemist 23 wrote:
VoodistMonk wrote:

I don't think there's too much of a problem with that particular Obedience. The Wizard goes off and reads her spellbook. The Witch goes and talks to his Familiar. The follower of Lymnieris goes off and gets off... so what?

What negative repercussions are really going to happen?

For one, who cares if they get +1 extra hp when they heal if it's going to be that big of a problem?

Secondly, can't a person go lay down on a rock somewhere and rub one out in peace? Everyone else seems to have no problem finding a quiet place to do their dumb $#!+...

But au contraire, you CAN'T touch yourself. Which gets back to how the hell does this work and is this the sort of thing that will have a ripple effect. If he has to say, hiring someone to help, well now we've got a player hiring an NPC and if they pissed someone off that NPC could now be an assassin. Or if they're a caster they might need to use a first level spell slot to make it work like Unseen Servant.

You are rather paranoid about some quiet self care time.


Wizards study their spells for 1 hour; clerics meditate/pray for a similar amount of time. Both require a quiet place where they are uninterrupted. You're telling me that a dude with a book can get the time/place every day, and a dude with a holy symbol can get the same, but you can't find a way in your brain to give the same handwave to a dude with a cowl?

And if it's the "performance" of the obedience, not the space/privacy of it, ask yourself how handwaving THAT would somehow weaken/detract from the game in order to give the player the +1 HP/healing spell bonus. Consider this when making your decision: the alchemical power component form of Gold costs 5 GP/dose and does the same thing as this feat. Essentially using this feat saves this PC a number of GP/day equal to 5 GP/spell they were going to be casting that day.

Liberty's Edge

You know if this makes you uncomfortable as a GM, You could just ask him to swap out the Obedience feat for Augment Healing Feat from 3.5 (Perquisite for the feat after Conversion having 1 Rank in the heal Skill) the effect is that all healing spells Cure 2 Additional HP per Spell Level. IE/ Cure Light Wounds Would Heal 1d8+7 at level 5 and at level one would heal 1d8+3.

And that would work if that's all the player wanted to achieve


Okay. I've gotten a little lost here. Much like certain web videos from my youth, there are certain things that I know I just don't need to see. (I do endorse 2 Bunnies 1 cup though) (if it's not adorable then the internet ruined it)

Anyway, reading between the lines hasn't been to difficult. For OP issue, I get that there are some odd accoutrements involved, but is the completion of the task solo albeit hands free; or, does there have to be another being involved, and if so, must that being be a stranger?

If stranger -- beyond the disturbing questions this brings up about where some writers thought come from and go to; yes, this obedience mechanic does present very real game challenges. If you aren't always in a city, close to civilization, or have access to oddly accommodating monsters or wildlife (ew! . . . sorry) then this task can't always be completed. If the player is okay with a sometimes benefit, groovy, move on. It's up to your group how much of a challenge this is, and how much role-play it takes when it is doable.

If non-stranger -- either the character gets a follower with the best/worst job in the world, or another party member assissts. It's up to your group to figure out how they feel about this. I'ma not judge, but even if the other character was played by my husband, for my group it would be a little weird. Some blushing at the very least.

If solo -- imagine Han and do whatcha gotta do :p . . . Joking aside, the spell prep analogy works here. This feat is no more complicated than other self disciplines and meditations achieved by casters and monks. In this case, or with the okay party member, it's just like old time extended family homes. What Ma and Pa do on the other side of the wall/door/cabin is there business; politely ignore. (Ha! Take that Little House on the Prairie)


I feel that it is implied in the Obedience text that you are to do this alone.

Why would it say that you must concentrate on the hard surface and the air?

You are alone, in your cowl, laying on a rock... concentrate on the cold, hard surface you are on... find comfort in what others would find uncomfortable, find more than comfort... find arousal. Concentrate on the breeze against your exposed skin. Yes. Good. Good.


If you feel it simply must have a die roll of some sort, I'd do a concentration check or will save (not sure on the DC, isn't there a table somewhere listing what constitutes a reasonable DC by level?)


Yqatuba wrote:
If you feel it simply must have a die roll of some sort, I'd do a concentration check or will save (not sure on the DC, isn't there a table somewhere listing what constitutes a reasonable DC by level?)

For completely arbitrary saving throw DC's, I start with what a good progression save is at that level, and add 5 or 10, depending on if it's a give-me, or not. If you're level 7, it's going to be a DC 10 or DC 15. Life moves on.

It's not worth delaying actual gameplay for.


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Alchemist 23 wrote:
But that's the thing though, Obedience arn't automatic. You can fail to do them and then not get your buffs for the day.

Most of them are almost easy enough, though. Iomedae's for instance is basically just to pray for an hour, as long as you have your equipment. Lymnieris' is just like that, it requires access to "a hard, flat surface" and a cowl, nothing more. Since the obedience is actual (minor) contact with the deity in question, you probably get some divine help with (or instructions for) the "task".

VoodistMonk wrote:
I feel that it is implied in the Obedience text that you are to do this alone.

Well, it only says "without touching yourself" - it doesn't say you can get others to help you, or use toys. And while the (official) books make no mention of any such thing, there is no way that magical vibrators don't exist in Golarion (the existence of this empyreal lord indicates that masturbation is not considered evil or bad, and the effect is cantrip level power).

Alchemist 23 wrote:
That one really sucks cuz I like the Crimson Templar class. Problem is there is no way to play it.

Maybe that's the intended offset for granting permanent flight at 1st level!


The difficulty in performing the obediences - when difficulty there is - is usually not in the act itself but in the setup.
Killing someone, whether a criminal or a the first born of a great hero : not that hard. Stab. Done. Getting a hold of them, binding them if needed, dragging them to the right place : trickier.
Gargling broken glass or whatever nonsense some pain based deities ask of you : not that hard. Really painful. And you're a filthy fanatic to begin with : if you've taken the feat, you're more than willing to go through with it. It's kind of a privilege.

Really, most non-evil obediences are purely narrative things.
Work out for an hour. Copy or study scholarly or religious texts. Meditate. Train. Meditate some other way. Train some other way. Have sex with someone willing or have fun on your own. Sing while having a pint for Cayden. Shout your loyalty as loudly and obnoxiously as possible. Have a meal. Whatever.
No reason to make this any more complicated.
If you absolutely need an explanation : assume that if it's required, he's learned how to do it - hands free if needed. Part of his training.

And if you really want to create difficulties for this Lymnieris worshipper for some reason, make up rp ones - more on the fun or embarrassing side than the social suicide one.
They might get caught in awkward situations if they start everyday "performing the required ritual" - and they very likely do.
The party might not enjoy having to wake up to that spectacle every single day, even in the deepest dungeons where privacy is a luxury. Though some might enjoy it and want to join in, which'd be just as much of an issue.

But slapping a dice roll on something that might a big part of the character and shouldn't have one might create more problems than it's supposed to solve.
Losing a big part of a build for an entire adventuring day because of literal luck of the die is not something I'd enjoy.


Derklord wrote:
Alchemist 23 wrote:
But that's the thing though, Obedience arn't automatic. You can fail to do them and then not get your buffs for the day.

Most of them are almost easy enough, though. Iomedae's for instance is basically just to pray for an hour, as long as you have your equipment. Lymnieris' is just like that, it requires access to "a hard, flat surface" and a cowl, nothing more. Since the obedience is actual (minor) contact with the deity in question, you probably get some divine help with (or instructions for) the "task".

VoodistMonk wrote:
I feel that it is implied in the Obedience text that you are to do this alone.

Well, it only says "without touching yourself" - it doesn't say you can get others to help you, or use toys. And while the (official) books make no mention of any such thing, there is no way that magical vibrators don't exist in Golarion (the existence of this empyreal lord indicates that masturbation is not considered evil or bad, and the effect is cantrip level power).

Alchemist 23 wrote:
That one really sucks cuz I like the Crimson Templar class. Problem is there is no way to play it.
Maybe that's the intended offset for granting permanent flight at 1st level!

Prestidigitation for the "clean" type effect, except not quite clean but... polish. The spell, once cast, keeps going for a full hour so...


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Mark Hoover 330 wrote:

Prestidigitation for the "clean" type effect, except not quite clean but... polish. The spell, once cast, keeps going for a full hour so...

I was thinking mage hand for the same purpose.


I have no intention of looking up the empyreal thingie in question, but I get the unfortunate gist from the comments. I am not sure what the point of it even is.

Now I want to start a thread for "Things We Wish Paizo HADN'T Done in 1E," because I'm pretty sure this qualifies.

Silver Crusade

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J. A. wrote:

I have no intention of looking up the empyreal thingie in question, but I get the unfortunate gist from the comments. I am not sure what the point of it even is.

Now I want to start a thread for "Things We Wish Paizo HADN'T Done in 1E," because I'm pretty sure this qualifies.

Why?


I'm pretty sure you can get someone or something to help you, you just aren't supposed to focus on that part. It's also unclear what "touch yourself" means. If you use tools, you never have to directly touch yourself.


Funny how people try to rules-lawyer around the no-touching-yourself part :D I am sure a devoted follower of Lymnieris would master the techniques needed to perform the devotion and not resort to "But technically, my Goddes, you did not say that someone else could not touch me so you will have to grant me my bonuses, thank you very much!"
The obediences are a way for the devoted to show their commitment and piety, and finding ways to skirt around the difficulties is not something a hardcore devotee would do. Except probably Asmodeans.
And it makes me wonder how many people in Golarion are so hardcore Ragathielists(?) that they even try to perform his obedience every day.


WagnerSika wrote:

Ragathielists(?) that they even try to perform his obedience every day.

They're probably state executioners for some city or nation.


WagnerSika wrote:
The obediences are a way for the devoted to show their commitment and piety, and finding ways to skirt around the difficulties is not something a hardcore devotee would do. Except probably Asmodeans.

You're making a mistaken assumption that all deities expect the devotion to be difficult. We can see multiple examples of deities that make it super easy. The hardest case is probably the "hardest" god. Ragathiel is not easy to get along with. He sets nearly impossible standards and expects you to live up to them. Lymnieris is pretty average for neutral good though. He's not a difficult guy. He just wants to support people in what they are trying to do.

The Lawful Empyreal Lords in general seem to have harder obediences. Arqueros = "Pray while holding a heavy shield over your head for an hour". While "simple", that sounds like torture. I imagine it'd ordinarily take succeeding at ability checks to pull off something like that. Or there's Vildeis = "Cut a holy design into your flesh or the flesh of a willing participant. Rub ashes into the wound while praying aloud to Vildeis. Bind the wound in red cloth but show the scar to anyone who asks." This is also torture and should logically result in some small wounds. Lawful Good is hard. But this thread isn't about a lawful good god.


WagnerSika wrote:
Funny how people try to rules-lawyer around the no-touching-yourself part

I don't see it that way. Lymnieris' areas of concern are both prostitution and virginity. That's pretty opposite aspects of sexuality. To me, an obedience ritual that can be either done as a form of self-restraint, or by getting others to help, sounds exactly right for this deity. You could do it while staying "pure" (virginity aspect), or by maybe paying others to do it for you (prostitution aspect).

Melkiador wrote:
But this thread isn't about a lawful good god.

Er, yes it is? Lymnieris is LG. But all the lawful non-evil core deities have really easy obediences, especially Iomedae, so it's not like lawful deities have to have difficult ones.


Weird. The wiki lists his clerics as being lawful good, neutral good and chaotic good, which implies he’s neutral good. It’s either an error or he’s just weird like that.


As with many things, this should be basically handwaved. Do you have whatever you need to do it? Allocate the time needed. There are no repercussions from this one. Find a rock, have the appropriate attire, spend your hour. It only becomes an issue if one of these components is missing--say, you're on a ship. Getting a suitable rock aboard ship could be a problem. Getting a cowl could be a problem if you've lost your equipment.


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I wonder, what are these "strangest things" that get "censored" by Paizo?


Derklord wrote:

I don't see it that way. Lymnieris' areas of concern are both prostitution and virginity. That's pretty opposite aspects of sexuality. To me, an obedience ritual that can be either done as a form of self-restraint, or by getting others to help, sounds exactly right for this deity. You could do it while staying "pure" (virginity aspect), or by maybe paying others to do it for you (prostitution aspect).

It would have been pretty cool for the author to put it the way you did. Seems logical and makes Lymnieris more interesting. Too bad there is no mention of performing the feat with the help of others like there is in eg. Arsheas obedience. And being a Lawful god I would imagine wording matters to Lymnieris.

Wonder if there is actually this kind of debate going on in the church of Lymnieris? The Orthodox(or Puristis) faction who insist on the no-touch-release and that spells or partners are not allowed. And then there are the Reformists(or Prostitutes) who think that using Unseen servants, telekinesis or partners is perfectly fine.


WagnerSika wrote:
Derklord wrote:

I don't see it that way. Lymnieris' areas of concern are both prostitution and virginity. That's pretty opposite aspects of sexuality. To me, an obedience ritual that can be either done as a form of self-restraint, or by getting others to help, sounds exactly right for this deity. You could do it while staying "pure" (virginity aspect), or by maybe paying others to do it for you (prostitution aspect).

It would have been pretty cool for the author to put it the way you did. Seems logical and makes Lymnieris more interesting. Too bad there is no mention of performing the feat with the help of others like there is in eg. Arsheas obedience. And being a Lawful god I would imagine wording matters to Lymnieris.

Wonder if there is actually this kind of debate going on in the church of Lymnieris? The Orthodox(or Puristis) faction who insist on the no-touch-release and that spells or partners are not allowed. And then there are the Reformists(or Prostitutes) who think that using Unseen servants, telekinesis or partners is perfectly fine.

And the opposing factions recklessly war against one another for thousands of years, even though they worship the exact same deity and say the exact same prayers at the exact same times of day.


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VoodistMonk wrote:
WagnerSika wrote:
Derklord wrote:

I don't see it that way. Lymnieris' areas of concern are both prostitution and virginity. That's pretty opposite aspects of sexuality. To me, an obedience ritual that can be either done as a form of self-restraint, or by getting others to help, sounds exactly right for this deity. You could do it while staying "pure" (virginity aspect), or by maybe paying others to do it for you (prostitution aspect).

It would have been pretty cool for the author to put it the way you did. Seems logical and makes Lymnieris more interesting. Too bad there is no mention of performing the feat with the help of others like there is in eg. Arsheas obedience. And being a Lawful god I would imagine wording matters to Lymnieris.

Wonder if there is actually this kind of debate going on in the church of Lymnieris? The Orthodox(or Puristis) faction who insist on the no-touch-release and that spells or partners are not allowed. And then there are the Reformists(or Prostitutes) who think that using Unseen servants, telekinesis or partners is perfectly fine.
And the opposing factions recklessly war against one another for thousands of years, even though they worship the exact same deity and say the exact same prayers at the exact same times of day.

The question is: are both sides of the holy schism still getting the benefit of the Obedience?

If both the orthodoxy and reformists are receiving the healing bonus, now it's time to call upon the Inquisitors. There may be heresy at work. For example, perhaps with the purists of the Orthodoxy they are secretly being corrupted by demons who invade through the Obedience ritual and implant subtle, heretical views which are slowly turning that faction of the church to the sin of unbridled lust.

On the other hand, perhaps devils, Playing upon the contractual nature of the reformist's assisted ritual have infiltrated that aspect of the faith. Now the heretic reformists actually glean their spells from Asmodeus, a fact only known to the High Prefects of the Reformist Church of Lymnieris.

The Inquisitors must root out any potential source of heresy here. They must be strict, ordered, and above all else, thorough. Let their righteous inquisitions reveal the Law of the Obedience, that it may be laid bare for all to know, and let their punishment of the wicked be just.


If Paizo makes an adventure out of this I will buy it.

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