Half Elf


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Is it possible to be a half elf grab Elf Atavism, and grab Ancient Elf?

Shadow Lodge

Officially, it's all up to the GM.
Since Half-Elves don't typically live anywhere near as long as Elves, I personally don't think they can take this heritage..

Half-Elf Feats: Elf Atavism - Feat 1 wrote:

Half-Elf

Source Core Rulebook pg. 58
Your elven blood runs particularly strong, granting you features far more elven than those of a typical half-elf. You may also have been raised among elves, steeped in your elven ancestors’ heritage. You gain the benefits of the elf heritage of your elven parent or ancestors. You typically can’t select a heritage that depends on or improves an elven feature you don’t have. For example, you couldn’t gain the cavern elf’s darkvision ability if you didn’t have low-light vision. In these cases, at the GM’s discretion, you might gain a different benefit.

Special You can take this feat only at 1st level, and you can’t retrain out of this feat or into this feat.

Elf Heritages: Ancient Elf wrote:

Source Character Guide pg. 25

In your long life, you’ve dabbled in many paths and many styles. Choose a class other than your own. You gain the multiclass dedication feat for that class, even though you don’t meet its level prerequisite. You must still meet its other prerequisites to gain the feat.
Aging:
  • Elf: 'Elves reach physical adulthood around the age of 20, though they aren’t considered to be fully emotionally mature by other elves until closer to the passing of their first century, once they’ve experienced more, held several occupations, and outlived a generation of shorter-lived people. A typical elf can live to around 600 years old.'
  • Half-Elf: 'Half-elves live longer than other humans, often reaching an age around 150 years. This causes some of them to fear friendship and romance with humans, knowing that they’ll likely outlive their companions.'

Silver Crusade

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Actually it's been clarified and added to the next set of errata

Quote:
The design and development teams have clarified that the ancient elf heritage (page 25) requires an elven lifespan (a feature that half-elves do not have) and thus cannot be selected by half-elves using the Elf Atavism feat (Core Rulebook 58), only by full elves. Clarifying text has been added to the errata for this book.

From the additional resources blog.


It bit werid that its a heritage though, but since elves are known to mutate by enviroment that probally why.


Rysky wrote:
Actually it's been clarified and added to the next set of errata
Quote:
The design and development teams have clarified that the ancient elf heritage (page 25) requires an elven lifespan (a feature that half-elves do not have) and thus cannot be selected by half-elves using the Elf Atavism feat (Core Rulebook 58), only by full elves. Clarifying text has been added to the errata for this book.
From the additional resources blog.

I couldn't find your reference.

This is for now a PFS ruling which is not the same, but yes I see the balance reasons. Elf Atavism is perhaps the strongest Elf option and giving it to half elves maybe a bit too much. However this multiclass flexibility has been the traditional advatage of half elves right from the earliest editions of D&D.
It doesn't seem right to me to rule it out.

Silver Crusade

1) it’s on the page I linked.

2) “The design and development teams have clarified”

3) “Clarifying text has been added to the errata for this book”


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Gortle wrote:
I couldn't find your reference.

You have to click the little arrow to the left of the book title "Lost Omens Character Guide". The statement is spoilered under that entry.


Which Errata do they even mention this?
not in Errata #1


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fedana wrote:

Which Errata do they even mention this?

not in Errata #1

It will be in future errata. The PFS team was given a heads up about that. Rysky's links and instructions above will get you to the posting.

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