How our GM did it today, while I listened:
+Downtiming Wizard has Magical Shorthand
+Access to spell granted by Society for Common spells (ex: Phantasmal Killer)
+GM decided the Task Level was based on the Scroll Level (ex: 7)
+Wizard succeeded at Magical Shorthand check using Assurance
+Wizard succeeded at Learn a Spell check using Assurance
= Wizard payed the difference between the spell's cost to learn and Earn Income table result, and added the spell to his spellbook.
Seems pretty legit to me but I'm wondering why there were two "checks" - I would probably do it as one.
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I still really have no idea how this is supposed to work for downtime.It is crafting, but instead of making an item, you learn a spell.
That would be a totally reasonable position and make it work nicely, except for the fact that the feat says it works like Earn Income rather than works like Crafting.
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"This works as if you were using Earn Income with the tradition’s associated skill, but instead of gaining money, you choose a spell available to you to learn and gain a discount on learning it, learning it for free if your earned income equals or exceeds its cost."
Which is basically how crafting works. Only you don't have all the other baggage of crafting (needing a formula, needing to spend 4 days, needing to spend half the price on materials.)
People are making it more complicated than it needs to be or than the rules say it is.
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People are making it more complicated than it needs to be or than the rules say it is.
Before all of the errata and OP rulings I'd say you were right. But now, there is no way to be confident what the intention is with anything. Does it seem to be obvious what the intent is? Just wait for some form of ruling or clarification 50% chance you were right.
*I remember when staves obviously could have property runes. I guess we were wrong about that assumption of intent.
*I remember when we assumed that clerics and druids had access to all common spells because....they always have. Looks like we were wrong.
I'd love for the simple answers to be right, but we cannot be sure about that anymore.
Here is the nitty gritty of Magical Shorthand that is not specified (you can argue and debate all you want, that doesn't change what the feat doesn't say):
1) Are the checks for Learning the Spell coupled together with or separate from the Earn Income check?
2) Is this treated similar to crafting for the task level or default as with other Earn Income checks?
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It is not about the stakes, it is a deeper pointlessness. We have recieved errata and rulings that, half of which, seem whisical. Accompanying these are subtle little jabs about the players misunderstanding the intent. It all culminates into a pointlessness in attempting to derive intent because the whimsical fairy could come by at a random time and go against all of the logical attempts to grasp at the intent, teetering afterward that we should have known that was the intent. On top of that, there was errata that wasn't even listed. People had to spot it and bring attention to it.
Discuss rules if you all like, I no longer see the point.
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Mark Seifer *literally* just stated that any confusion or misunderstanding was squarely the responsibility of the publishers for doing a poor job expressing the rules. Where are you getting the idea that they are taking jabs at the players?
And the reason that it takes so long to get these corrections, is that they are going out of their way to *avoid* being whimsical and arbitrary.
