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I'm new with PF2 so I don't know everywhere the PF1 APs went, but I have two low-key items on my hopes list.

First is plausible. I love the lore of the Magaambya. I have a sneaking suspicion that it might get its own Lost Omens entry (a good way to introduce the Anadi ancestry, as well as the other creature types brilliantly hinted at by now, like the bone-feathered shisks). I think centering or at least beginning a long adventure in the University could be really awesome.

Secondly, I'd just like something centered around Rovagug. Not just his insane cultists, but a real something where a third party is pulling power from him or his cage and threatening the security of the world. I'd think a late-game storming of the area around his cage where spawns and wrackworms and stuff could be a tremendous setting to face a final fight. Not to face off against him, though, because nobody enjoys fighting a god.

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Lanathar wrote:
Now I recall the blowback JK Rowling got for hamfisted cultural appropriation of Native American myths and legends in her application of them to her “setting”. And I am sure I read part of it came from a “she should have consulted us” standpoint. But another side was “it shouldn’t have been used at all it is sacred to us”.

These statements aren’t actually contradictory.

A lot of f!*!ery can be avoided through consulting people you need to be consulting. And even better, hiring them.

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I mean, if you want to be polite, you will ask for permission. And if you want to be even more polite, you will avoid using things they don't want you to use :p


Tallow wrote:
Lanathar wrote:
Where is the best space for the discussion on paizo content being too white European focused that the OP and Zimmerwald seem to want to have ?
At this point its probably best moved to another thread. Almost everything that can be said has been said. It would be nice to see people respond with ideas for what the OP asked instead of sidetracking the conversation past the suggestion for what Zimmerwald wants to see. That's been done. No need to now hijack this thread for purposes of discussing the merits, ethics, and politics of his suggestion or what Paizo already does.

That is what I thought as well. The OP actually double posted this very early on, seemingly on purpose due to the derail.

But that one was ignored and flagged as a double post despite it being obvious what was going on. It was even mentioned in the slightly reworded original text from the OP I think

Predictably the one with the more controversial subjects is the one that has continued because this is the internet and that is how the internet works

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Lanathar wrote:
The OP actually double posted this very early on, seemingly on purpose due to the derail.

Stop spreading lies. The second thread was posted before this one had any posts in it at all besides the original.


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zimmerwald1915 wrote:
Stop spreading lies. The second thread was posted before this one had any posts in it at all besides the original.

That's true.


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I'd like a plane hopping AP, or a First World AP.

We've only ever spent significant time in the Abyss and the demiplane of dreams. Let's go to the Maelstrom, or the Boneyard, or Axis, or some of the more exotic demiplanes.

I'm also on record as wanting a lucha libre themed Arcadia AP, specifically inspired by all those movies where Blue Demon (et al) fights vampires etc.

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PossibleCabbage wrote:
We've only ever spent significant time in the Abyss and the demiplane of dreams.

What's the City of Brass on the Plane of Fire, chopped liver?

Or Hell, for that matter? That got at least two books.

The Boneyard got one.


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Have any APs gone to the First World? That could be absolutely awesome.

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Chopped liver, 3.5. Tomatoe, tomato, two editions ago.

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Sporkedup wrote:
Have any APs gone to the First World? That could be absolutely awesome.

Kingmaker does a little bit?


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Rysky wrote:
Sporkedup wrote:
Have any APs gone to the First World? That could be absolutely awesome.
Kingmaker does a little bit?

Yeah, the fey-involved aspects of that campaign are easily its highlights (though I've only played maybe half of it, and all just in the PC game).

I think fey stuff is wildly underrepresented. Every time it appears it gets my attention though!

So my wishlist basically boils down to starts at Magaambya and eventually devolves into First World excursions. I'd run the hell out of that campaign.

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Rysky wrote:
Chopped liver, 3.5. Tomatoe, tomato, two editions ago.

Why include PF1 if we're excluding D&D3.5 (and indeed 3)? PF1 was more like D&D3.5 than it is like PF2.

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zimmerwald1915 wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Chopped liver, 3.5. Tomatoe, tomato, two editions ago.
Why include PF1 if we're excluding D&D3.5 (and indeed 3)? PF1 was more like D&D3.5 than it is like PF2.

I was making a joke.

Also we didn’t spend time in the city of brass, we spent time in one sealed palace.


zimmerwald1915 wrote:
PossibleCabbage wrote:
We've only ever spent significant time in the Abyss and the demiplane of dreams.

What's the City of Brass on the Plane of Fire, chopped liver?

Or Hell, for that matter? That got at least two books.

No AP is more obscure than Legacy of Fire, even Second of Darkness is more notable because of its bad parts.

But we didn't really spend a lot of time in hell. We spent a while in one guy's office in one book and then 2/3 of book 6 of HR was in a more important guy's holdings.


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Most of a book of war for the crown takes place in Axis, in terms of planes we've sightseen in.


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zimmerwald1915 wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Chopped liver, 3.5. Tomatoe, tomato, two editions ago.
Why include PF1 if we're excluding D&D3.5 (and indeed 3)? PF1 was more like D&D3.5 than it is like PF2.

Did Paizo do Adventure Paths in 3.0? I thought that got started with Shackled City, although admittedly I didn't play 3.0 or subscribe to dungeon at the time.

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Sporkedup wrote:
Have any APs gone to the First World? That could be absolutely awesome.

Yes.

first world AP:
Kingmaker goes to the first world eventually, but its a huge spoiler for the primary badguy.

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Point of curiosity Zimmerwald, why the emphasis only on fixing modern European style colonization? Why not any of the other assorted sins of empire building or colonization from other cultures?


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Davor Firetusk wrote:
Point of curiosity Zimmerwald, why the emphasis only on fixing modern European style colonization? Why not any of the other assorted sins of empire building or colonization from other cultures?

Not to speak for someone I frequently disagree with, but European colonization carved up and informs the modern world pretty thoroughly; there’s a reason we’re all posting in English right now, and why professionals across the world wear suits.

Beyond that, European-equivalents are the assumed default focus of Pathfinder, and equivalent colonization from them had had a larger presence than others.

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Also, zimmy's interest in the colonialism angle is purely about seeing the British, French, Dutch and Spanish impaled and slowly exsanguinated. Yes, I know, Paizo for some reason changed names of European nations to some fantasy gobbledegook. Likey legal issues.

The actual fate of people down there and what they've been up to? Not really important, as long as the White Rich Man gets a hatchet between the eyes.


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Tallow wrote:
Sporkedup wrote:
Have any APs gone to the First World? That could be absolutely awesome.

Yes.

** spoiler omitted **

Also with the remake of Kingmaker coming out and them adapting a good bit that was added into The CRPG, we may see more of the first world soon


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Vorsk, Follower or Erastil wrote:
Tallow wrote:
Sporkedup wrote:
Have any APs gone to the First World? That could be absolutely awesome.

Yes.

** spoiler omitted **

Also with the remake of Kingmaker coming out and them adapting a good bit that was added into The CRPG, we may see more of the first world soon

Good point!

I've played the first couple of books' worth in the CPRG. It's interesting but I'm sad because I don't think any of my players want to do any more hexcrawling (book 2 of Age of Ashes has been enough for them it seems) and I definitely don't think any of them want to build and manage a kingdom. So I don't think if Kingmaker is the First-Worldest AP available that I'll ever get to run an official campaign that goes there! Sadness.

I'll probably buy it anyways, though, cause it looks so shiny.


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I'd love to see an AP set in the Impossible Lands. There is a whole lot of cool stuff going on over there. Plus, fleshing out Oenopion is a great excuse to bring the Oozemorph to 2e.


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Paradozen wrote:
I'd love to see an AP set in the Impossible Lands. There is a whole lot of cool stuff going on over there. Plus, fleshing out Oenopion is a great excuse to bring the Oozemorph to 2e.

Agreed.

Though I thought I heard that the person responsible for this region is no longer with Paizo and no one else is that interested in telling stories in their region? Shame if so.

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I understand the relevance of European colonization, but focusing only on that interaction to the exclusion of others is it's own form of white bias. After all most of us posting learned an Indo-European language as our first tongue and the shared cultural elements from the Yamnaya (or its close cousins from the Eurasian steppe) is very arguably way more of an impactful homogenizing event. Even less widespread conflicts are significant parts of local history. Assuming that modern European influence is the only trauma and issue needed to understand them really strips local ethnicities of agency and the importance of their own history prior to the Age of Discovery.


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Sporkedup wrote:
Paradozen wrote:
I'd love to see an AP set in the Impossible Lands. There is a whole lot of cool stuff going on over there. Plus, fleshing out Oenopion is a great excuse to bring the Oozemorph to 2e.

Agreed.

Though I thought I heard that the person responsible for this region is no longer with Paizo and no one else is that interested in telling stories in their region? Shame if so.

I'm pretty sure the Impossible Lands (or at least Nex) is one of the corners of the world from Erik Mona. They're still with Paizo so we might see an AP there yet. Plus, Lost Omens Legends will have information on the wizards Nex and Geb (last I checked anyways), so that's nice.


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Paradozen wrote:
Sporkedup wrote:
Paradozen wrote:
I'd love to see an AP set in the Impossible Lands. There is a whole lot of cool stuff going on over there. Plus, fleshing out Oenopion is a great excuse to bring the Oozemorph to 2e.

Agreed.

Though I thought I heard that the person responsible for this region is no longer with Paizo and no one else is that interested in telling stories in their region? Shame if so.

I'm pretty sure the Impossible Lands (or at least Nex) is one of the corners of the world from Erik Mona. They're still with Paizo so we might see an AP there yet. Plus, Lost Omens Legends will have information on the wizards Nex and Geb (last I checked anyways), so that's nice.

Oh! Okay. Wonder which region I was thinking of. Eric does have a lot on his plate right now though.

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Davor Firetusk wrote:
I understand the relevance of European colonization, but focusing only on that interaction to the exclusion of others is it's own form of white bias. After all most of us posting learned an Indo-European language as our first tongue and the shared cultural elements from the Yamnaya (or its close cousins from the Eurasian steppe) is very arguably way more of an impactful homogenizing event. Even less widespread conflicts are significant parts of local history. Assuming that modern European influence is the only trauma and issue needed to understand them really strips local ethnicities of agency and the importance of their own history prior to the Age of Discovery.

You could say that Genghis Khan also colonized a huge portion of the world, stretching from the China Sea, to parts of India, across Asia, and deep into Eastern Europe. While it wasn't necessarily the exact same type of colonization (in that it wasn't a rich, white man, exploiting the foreign lands for more wealth at the horrid expense of indigenous lives), it was still a conquering nation--so much so that 0.5% of the world's population (roughly 17 million) can trace their DNA to him.

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Sporkedup wrote:
Paradozen wrote:
Sporkedup wrote:
Paradozen wrote:
I'd love to see an AP set in the Impossible Lands. There is a whole lot of cool stuff going on over there. Plus, fleshing out Oenopion is a great excuse to bring the Oozemorph to 2e.

Agreed.

Though I thought I heard that the person responsible for this region is no longer with Paizo and no one else is that interested in telling stories in their region? Shame if so.

I'm pretty sure the Impossible Lands (or at least Nex) is one of the corners of the world from Erik Mona. They're still with Paizo so we might see an AP there yet. Plus, Lost Omens Legends will have information on the wizards Nex and Geb (last I checked anyways), so that's nice.
Oh! Okay. Wonder which region I was thinking of. Eric does have a lot on his plate right now though.

Previously, various different creators, designers, developers, and publishers "owned" various countries or regions of Golarion. And that area of the planet was usually left alone, unless there was consultation with that person, so that any "plans" or "canon" would not get stepped upon. Which is why you didn't really see anything in Geb, Nex and not much in the Mana Wastes. But as Publisher, Erik Mona didn't have much time to actually write material, and so nothing got done in that region. Other areas had similar fates.

My understanding, as PF2 was getting off the ground, that regions were going to be detached from specific people, so that developers could work on any region. Although, this might have changed, and out of respect, many developers might still choose to stay away from Erik's region.

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PossibleCabbage wrote:
zimmerwald1915 wrote:
PossibleCabbage wrote:
We've only ever spent significant time in the Abyss and the demiplane of dreams.

What's the City of Brass on the Plane of Fire, chopped liver?

Or Hell, for that matter? That got at least two books.

No AP is more obscure than Legacy of Fire, even Second of Darkness is more notable because of its bad parts.

But we didn't really spend a lot of time in hell. We spent a while in one guy's office in one book and then 2/3 of book 6 of HR was in a more important guy's holdings.

I've always thought a good way to continue the LOF campaign would be to take Xotani's heart to the Plane of Water and feed it to a kraken. Would be a nice way for the Captain of the Sunset Ship and Shazarthared return.

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Davor Firetusk wrote:
Point of curiosity Zimmerwald, why the emphasis only on fixing modern European style colonization? Why not any of the other assorted sins of empire building or colonization from other cultures?

The conquest of our world by capitalism, accomplished by colonialism, is complete and has been for about a century. On Golarion, however, capitalist colonialism has not conquered the world, and indeed has faced serious setbacks due to the related phenomena of 1) the greater resilience of extra-capitalist countries on Golarion as compared to our world, 2) the retarded industrial development of the colonial metropoles as compared to our world, and 3) the more advanced class struggles in the same colonial metropoles disrupting the process of primitive accumulation.

This setting thus presents an appealing fantasy to opponents of today's totalized capitalism (both metropolitan and colonized), of strangling it in its cradle. As a metropolitan, the fact that it also presents the appealing fantasy of exploring the further development of colonized countries is external to me, but I'll support it. This development is, as you say, predicated on historical class struggle and empire-building and is sure to include one or both in the future. Peoples we would recognize today as colonized did not form a unified whole among themselves, and within themselves were not monolithic. None was pure and innocent. Each presented (and each fantasy counterpart could and should present) its own anthropological and sociological interest.

I'd also observe that, like early modern Europe and unlike nineteenth-century Europe, Avistan is both the victim and perpetrator of conquest. Irrisen and Kyonin are extra-planetary plantations.* Sarkoris remains occupied by extraplanar invaders, though a reconquest has recently begun (Tanglebriar is an interesting case, being disputed by ancient extra-planetary and slightly less ancient extraplanar colonizers for so long that the indigenous populations seem wholly eradicated and their claims wholly forgotten). Brinewall and Sandpoint were partial or total Minkaian plantations before being absorbed by New Eurythnia and Magnimar respectively, Qadira is a satrap of Kelesh.

Avistan is also not the only site of colonial metropoles colonizing other continents. Vudra has at least one colony on Garund, obtained as a dynastic gift, no less. Hellcoast was the site of Arcadian (Syrinx) colonization in the truly dim past, and of Garundi (Jitskan) colonization in the slightly less dim past, and the remnants of the Arcadian colonization form an oppressed people in the region today (the Jitskan population has apparently been wholly Taldanized). Thassilon was an Azlanti plantation, and remnants of its class system survived ten thousand years until the Thassilonians themselves returned to resume their rule.

That the history of other continents is also the history of conquest is self-evident. Lung Wa on Tian Xia was as predicated on conquest as the Taldan and Chelish empires in Avistan. Jinin is a Sovyrian plantation twice over, which can trace its descent back through Miriani and Kyonin. Oni, demons, and assimars impose or have imposed their rule on various countries. The workers and peasants of Bachuan have advanced further than their counterparts anywhere else in the world in terms of being able to take power (though they were not able to keep it, per usual). Kelesh, Vudra, and Degasi didn't emerge as more or less unified empires/culture groups by springing out of the ground. But they are only barely sketched and thus not susceptible to either fine-grained historical or social analysis - they appear at the moment only as geopolitical players, and even there their interests are barely defined. I'll have more to deplore about their reactionary elements and more to praise about their progressive elements when more is written about them generally.

*I'm using the word "plantation" here to refer to a self-governing colonial population with limited to no relationship to its metropole

Gorbacz wrote:
Also, zimmy's interest in the colonialism angle is purely about seeing the British, French, Dutch and Spanish impaled and slowly exsanguinated.

Point of order 1: there are no easy analogues to the English on Golarion. Absalom is a mashup of London and Constantinople, but Kortos is in the wrong place to act like Britain geopolitically, and accordingly is not portrayed as expansionist. In early PFS, it was portrayed as a prize to be won by other Great Powers! The Thassilonian human rulers of Edasseril fit a bit better, but are newcomers to the colonial race and are still having trouble pacifying the Ulfen humans and Sovyrian and Drow elves that populate their newly-conquered hinterlands.

Point of order 2: the most successful colonial powers on Avistan are not the analogues to the French (who are landlocked and the most stymied by ongoing open class struggle), or the English (see above), or the Dutch (who are also entirely occupied by the conquest of their hinterland). The most successful colonial powers on Avistan are the analogues to the Norse (who have had part of their own homeland conquered by an extra-planetary power), Spanish (who have faced the most serious setbacks overseas), and Italians (whose success in Azlant and Arcadia is fragile, entirely predicated on the weakness of Cheliax which if it wasn't weak could close the Arch of Aroden and redirect Andoran ambitions south and east). The Greco-Roman analogue has a plantation in Tian Xia, but plantations hardly count in terms of assessing power. The status of the Portugal-analogue's colony in Arcadia is hazy, and while it has other interests abroad, these take the form of alliances between equals - for now.

But yes, I thirst for fictional blood. This is to be expected of a fan of a game about killing things and taking their stuff :P


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zimmerwald1915 wrote:
Davor Firetusk wrote:
Point of curiosity Zimmerwald, why the emphasis only on fixing modern European style colonization? Why not any of the other assorted sins of empire building or colonization from other cultures?

The conquest of our world by capitalism, accomplished by colonialism, is complete and has been for about a century. On Golarion, however, capitalist colonialism has not conquered the world, and indeed has faced serious setbacks due to the related phenomena of 1) the greater resilience of extra-capitalist countries on Golarion as compared to our world, 2) the retarded industrial development of the colonial metropoles as compared to our world, and 3) the more advanced class struggles in the same colonial metropoles disrupting the process of primitive accumulation.

This setting thus presents an appealing fantasy to opponents of today's totalized capitalism (both metropolitan and colonized), of strangling it in its cradle. As a metropolitan, the fact that it also presents the appealing fantasy of exploring the further development of colonized countries is external to me, but I'll support it. This development is, as you say, predicated on historical class struggle and empire-building and is sure to include one or both in the future. Peoples we would recognize today as colonized did not form a unified whole among themselves, and within themselves were not monolithic. None was pure and innocent. Each presented (and each fantasy counterpart could and should present) its own anthropological and sociological interest.

I'd also observe that, like early modern Europe and unlike nineteenth-century Europe, Avistan is both the victim and perpetrator of conquest. Irrisen and Kyonin are extra-planetary plantations.* Sarkoris remains occupied by extraplanar invaders, though a reconquest has recently begun (Tanglebriar is an interesting case, being disputed by ancient extra-planetary and slightly less ancient extraplanar colonizers for so long that the indigenous populations seem wholly eradicated...

Wait a second ...

Who are the Avistan analogues for :

- the Dutch

- the Portuguese

- the Spanish

- the Italians (cheliax? I thought the chellish were also a bit of Spain?)

- the Norse (linnorn kings or mammoth lords? And where did they colonise. Missed that part)

You make some allusions to real world parallels that I am not sure I have seen before in previous discussions on this topic and I am intrigued...

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Lanathar wrote:

Wait a second ...

Who are the Avistan analogues for :

- the Dutch

- the Portuguese

- the Spanish

- the Italians (cheliax? I thought the chellish were also a bit of Spain?)

- the Norse (linnorn kings or mammoth lords? And where did they colonise. Missed that part)

You make some allusions to real world parallels that I am not sure I have seen before in previous discussions on this topic and I am intrigued...

Answered in PM as this is going off-topic.

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zimmerwald1915 wrote:
Lanathar wrote:

Wait a second ...

Who are the Avistan analogues for :

- the Dutch

- the Portuguese

- the Spanish

- the Italians (cheliax? I thought the chellish were also a bit of Spain?)

- the Norse (linnorn kings or mammoth lords? And where did they colonise. Missed that part)

You make some allusions to real world parallels that I am not sure I have seen before in previous discussions on this topic and I am intrigued...

Answered in PM as this is going off-topic.

I'm also interested in seeing a reply to this. Perhaps put it in a spoiler?

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Tallow wrote:
zimmerwald1915 wrote:
Lanathar wrote:

Wait a second ...

Who are the Avistan analogues for :

- the Dutch

- the Portuguese

- the Spanish

- the Italians (cheliax? I thought the chellish were also a bit of Spain?)

- the Norse (linnorn kings or mammoth lords? And where did they colonise. Missed that part)

You make some allusions to real world parallels that I am not sure I have seen before in previous discussions on this topic and I am intrigued...

Answered in PM as this is going off-topic.
I'm also interested in seeing a reply to this. Perhaps put it in a spoiler?

Per request:
I think of most of these parallels as primarily geographical, geopolitical, and/or historical rather than cultural, but if you like you can use them to flavor generic or under-drawn cultures.

I think of Varisia south of the Storval Rise as roughly like the Low Countries geographically, being, well, a low-lying country and dominated by the Mushfens. Magnimar in particular sits on reclaimed land. The region now dominated by Korvosa was directly colonized by Cheliax and still looks to its metropole for cultural cues - Magnimar was founded by Korvosan dissidents and does not. I look at that and see Amsterdam (the center of the Dutch Revolt) on the one side and Brussels (the capital of the Spanish and later Austrian Netherlands) on the other. The conceit of the Dutch Revolt is important because. . .

I do see Cheliax as mostly an analogue to Spain, as [Lanathar says]. Specifically the Spain of the Hapsburgs, with its abortive universal ambitions in not-Europe and imperial attempts in not-America, and its inquisitorial church-state consortium. There's some Italian cultural influence there too (in music and architecture), but then, there was Italian influence in the real Spain. In part because Spain inherited Aragonese interests in, and influence from, Naples and Milan.

Ravounel as Portugal is derived entirely from geographic position. But Portugal was briefly under Spain in the Iberian Union, and if Castilian dynastic politics had played out differently could have been united with Castile in place of Aragon.

I've explained elsewhere that rather than America, I think of Andoran as akin to a successful Mazzinian/Garibaldian Italy. Its geographic position (between not-Spain and not-Greece) is correct, its history as part of a Greek/Byzantine (Taldan) and Spanish (Chelish) empire is like Italy's, and its rulers' abolitionist, unitary, and democratic (read: radical) republicanism isn't much like the slaver, federalist, and limited (read: liberal) republicanism of the American bourgeois.

The Ulfen are straightforward Norse, and their Linnorm Kingdoms have a plantation (Vallenhall) in northern Arcadia.


Perhaps I should start an AMA thread so as not to derail the topic any further? Is that permitted? If so, what's the right forum for it?


Not sure about the forum. Perhaps gamer life on this website. Imagine there is a bit more stringency here as to where that kind of chat would go

Potentially the lost omens section though ?


zimmerwald1915 wrote:

<snip>

Per request:

I think of most of these parallels as primarily geographical, geopolitical, and/or historical rather than cultural, but if you like you can use them to flavor generic or under-drawn cultures.

I think of Varisia south of the Storval Rise as roughly like the Low Countries geographically, being, well, a low-lying country and dominated by the Mushfens. Magnimar in particular sits on reclaimed land. The region now dominated by Korvosa was directly colonized by Cheliax and still looks to its metropole for cultural cues - Magnimar was founded by Korvosan dissidents and does not. I look at that and see Amsterdam (the center of the Dutch Revolt) on the one side and Brussels (the capital of the Spanish and later Austrian Netherlands) on the other. The conceit of the Dutch Revolt is important because. . .

I do see Cheliax as mostly an analogue to Spain, as [Lanathar says]. Specifically the Spain of the Hapsburgs, with its abortive universal ambitions in not-Europe and imperial attempts in not-America, and its inquisitorial church-state consortium. There's some Italian cultural influence there too (in music and architecture), but then, there was Italian influence in the real Spain. In part because Spain inherited Aragonese interests in, and influence from, Naples and Milan.

Ravounel as Portugal is derived entirely from geographic position. But Portugal was briefly under Spain in the Iberian Union, and if Castilian dynastic politics had played out differently could have been united with Castile in place of Aragon.

I've explained elsewhere that rather than America, I think of Andoran as akin to a successful Mazzinian/Garibaldian Italy. Its geographic position (between not-Spain and not-Greece) is correct, its history as part of a Greek/Byzantine (Taldan) and Spanish (Chelish) empire is like Italy's, and its rulers' abolitionist, unitary, and democratic (read: radical) republicanism isn't much like the slaver, federalist, and limited (read: liberal) republicanism of the American bourgeois.

The Ulfen are straightforward Norse, and their Linnorm Kingdoms have a plantation (Vallenhall) in northern Arcadia.

Hmm...

Interesting.
Thank you.

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Setting it all in one terrain type could leave the audience cold.

Especially if that terrain is the artic.


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Perhaps I should start an AMA thread so as not to derail the topic any further? Is that permitted? If so, what's the right forum for it?

They are permitted and typically go in the gamer life - off-topic subforum.

There’s even a relatively standardised thread title format:

>>Ask *zimmerwald1915* all your questions here.<<

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zimmerwald1915 wrote:
Tallow wrote:
zimmerwald1915 wrote:
Lanathar wrote:

Wait a second ...

Who are the Avistan analogues for :

- the Dutch

- the Portuguese

- the Spanish

- the Italians (cheliax? I thought the chellish were also a bit of Spain?)

- the Norse (linnorn kings or mammoth lords? And where did they colonise. Missed that part)

You make some allusions to real world parallels that I am not sure I have seen before in previous discussions on this topic and I am intrigued...

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fascinating. Thankyou. I can't really disagree with anything you posited here. I might make some adjustments here and there upon doing some historical research. But this looks about right to me.

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Thanks for the long response, I greatly prefer my fantasy remain exactly that, completely pretend. Attempts to model the complexity of real world problems... One I just don't find interesting, and I think it is inevitable that it will come off as oversimplified and all of the negative things that come from that.


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For a First World AP, I think it would be pretty fun if the PCs flitted between the First World and the parts of Golarion where fey are prominent, taking the party across the inner sea. The Verduran Forest, various parts of the River Kingdoms, Axan Wood, IIRC there are a couple mountain ranges, etc.

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Paradozen wrote:
For a First World AP, I think it would be pretty fun if the PCs flitted between the First World and the parts of Golarion where fey are prominent, taking the party across the inner sea. The Verduran Forest, various parts of the River Kingdoms, Axan Wood, IIRC there are a couple mountain ranges, etc.

The Fangwood in Nirmithas as well.

It could certainly be a way to revisit several locations already visited in other APs as well.


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I'd be interested in an adventure path set in the Impossible Lands or in the Sarkoris Scar. An adventure path regarding the Shory Empire might be interesting.


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Darth Game Master wrote:
I'd be interested in an adventure path set in the Impossible Lands or in the Sarkoris Scar. An adventure path regarding the Shory Empire might be interesting.

There's sooo much potential with the Sarkorians reclaiming their land, especially given their more recent Native American inspirations.


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Having grown up with an imagination fed by Amar Chitra Katha comics, I'd love to see an AP set in the Impossible Kingdoms. With an emphasis on impossible -- ocean-spanning bridges made of arrows, waterfalls falling endlessly from the sky, forests of trees miles high, islands floating in the clouds, the works.

The Temple of Death (and the lead-up module Master of the Desert Nomads) were two of my favorite old-school adventures, because they were the only ones I knew of that had something of this flavor. And I'd love to see a more sophisticated Paizo-style AP done in that style!


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I’ll start this one off. I know that Reign of Winter was at least partially in arctic type setting but I would love to see a adventure path that embraces all thing Arctic, Arctic Elves, Frost Giants, Northern Barbarians, White Dragons. It would be great if it had equipment and survival rules for that type of setting. So much of the Saga Lands and the Broken Lands fit this type of setting and the desert and Jungle have been done to death in D20 games.

Well this is what I would like to see. What would you like to see.

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I would really love to see a Greek themed AP in Iblydos. Maybe involving the trade route from Katapesh through Iblydos. Some ship action, greek mythology monsters, oracles, good fun.

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