paizo.com Recent Posts in A few questions about Ascetic Stylepaizo.com Recent Posts in A few questions about Ascetic Style2020-04-01T00:31:01Z2020-04-01T00:31:01ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: A few questions about Ascetic StyleScott Wilhelmhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42zwo?A-few-questions-about-Ascetic-Style#62020-04-01T17:17:59Z2020-04-01T17:17:59Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Minigiant wrote:</div><blockquote> 2. Can I apply Dragon Style & Ferocity bonus damage to my attacks without <a href="https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/monk/archetypes/paizo-monk-archetypes/master-of-many-styles" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Fuse Style</a>? I just wouldn't get the benefits such as +2 vs sleep </blockquote><p>Yeah, you need Fuse Style or something like Weapon Style Mastery that Derklord linked to.
<p>I might have yet another way depending on what exactly you are trying to build: what weapon are you trying to use, for instance? Is it Claw Blades? Are you using Claws? Why Claws and not just Unarmed Strikes or just actually use a real weapon like a Butchering Axe or a Split Blade Sword?</p>
<p>If you are using Claws, then you can take Feral Combat Training and apply any Unarmed Strike Feat to your Claws, including Style Feats.</p>
<p>There is a Human Feat called Martial Versatility that lets you apply any weapon-specific feat to any other weapon in the same weapon group as the that weapon, so you could take Snake Fang, which applies specifically to your Unarmed Strikes and apply it to your Scizore, since both are are also in the Close Fighter Weapon Group.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee"> Derklord wrote:</div><blockquote> What kind of character are you trying to build? It's usually easier to help if we know the specifics. </blockquote><p>That.Minigiant wrote:2. Can I apply Dragon Style & Ferocity bonus damage to my attacks without Fuse Style? I just wouldn't get the benefits such as +2 vs sleep
Yeah, you need Fuse Style or something like Weapon Style Mastery that Derklord linked to. I might have yet another way depending on what exactly you are trying to build: what weapon are you trying to use, for instance? Is it Claw Blades? Are you using Claws? Why Claws and not just Unarmed Strikes or just actually use a real weapon like a...Scott Wilhelm2020-04-01T17:17:59ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: A few questions about Ascetic StyleDerklordhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42zwo?A-few-questions-about-Ascetic-Style#52020-04-01T12:13:32Z2020-04-01T12:13:32Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Minigiant wrote:</div><blockquote>1. Are <a href="https://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment/weapons/weapon-descriptions/claw-blades/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Claw Blades</a> Monk weapons? Natural Claws are but, claw blades confuse me</blockquote><p>"Monk weapon" means a weapon with the monk special property. Ascetic Style asks for the weapon group.
<p>Very strict RAW, you can add claw blades to the monk weapon group via the <a href="https://aonprd.com/EquipmentWeaponsDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Versatile%20design" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Versatile design</a> weapon modification without having any proficiency issues, although the intend would probably be that you need the <a href="https://aonprd.com/FeatDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Modified%20Weapon%20Proficiency" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Modified Weapon Proficiency</a> feat. Of course, mechanically, a different weapon would very likely be better.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Minigiant wrote:</div><blockquote>2. Can I apply Dragon Style & Ferocity bonus damage to my attacks without <a href="https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/monk/archetypes/paizo-monk-archetypes/master-of-many-styles" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Fuse Style</a>? I just wouldn't get the benefits such as +2 vs sleep</blockquote><p>To which attacks? To combine it with Ascetic Style, you need a classf eature like Fuse Style, or the <a href="https://aonprd.com/FeatDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Weapon%20Style%20Mastery" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Weapon Style Master</a> feat. For claw attacks, Feral Combat Training works, but not for Claw Blades.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Minigiant wrote:</div><blockquote>3. (Confident on this one) Monk scaling damage gets applied to the weapon? 2D6 at Level 12 </blockquote><p>Yes, and this is actually without any doubt, because the wording is identical to the pre-erratum Feral Combat Training, for which there was an FAQ that said "<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150626115543/http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1g1#v5748eaic9rbe" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">The feat says you can apply "effects that augment an unarmed strike," and the monk's increased unarmed damage counts as such.</a>"
<p>What kind of character are you trying to build? It's usually easier to help if we know the specifics.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Wonderstell wrote:</div><blockquote>The author of the style feat went out and said that they meant for Ascetic Style to work like Feral Combat Training. </blockquote><p>He did indeed say that (in a blog post where he didn't even get the name of the feat right, calling it "Aesthetic Style" instead), but both versions (<a href="http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2t96q?Weapon-masters-Handbook-Ascetic-Style-Question#41" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">#1</a> <a href="http://tinyurl.com/gn2qm68" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">#2</a>) of what he stated he wanted the feat to do go beyond what FCT allows. There has been so much self-contradicting in the author's statements regarding that feat that it's impossible to determien the actual intend. RAW is pretty clear, and the author <a href="https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2t96q&page=2?Weapon-masters-Handbook-Ascetic-Style-Question#51" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">has acknowledged</a> that his "original notes don't matter very much, though, because if Ascetic Style is changed it'll be the Paizo team that'll decide how its done."
<p>For the record, despite what the author said, Ascetic Form still has a reason to exist, namely for non-monks or multiclassed monks.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">zza ni wrote:</div><blockquote> 2. without fuse style any style feat need you to enter the style stance (normaly a swift action) while your in a style stance you benefit from that style abilities.</blockquote><p>Not techniclaly true, but correct in this case. There are some feats that don't say you need to be using that style (e.g. Jabbing Style), and some feats where only part of the effect asks for using that style (e.g. Crane Style), and there is no general rule that says anything like that, either. However, any followup feat without exception requires you to use that style, and Ascetic Style as per the description only does anything when using that style. Liekwise, Dragon Style also starts with "While using this style", which means it doesn't do anythign if you haven't entered it's stance.Minigiant wrote:1. Are Claw Blades Monk weapons? Natural Claws are but, claw blades confuse me
"Monk weapon" means a weapon with the monk special property. Ascetic Style asks for the weapon group. Very strict RAW, you can add claw blades to the monk weapon group via the Versatile design weapon modification without having any proficiency issues, although the intend would probably be that you need the Modified Weapon Proficiency feat. Of course, mechanically, a different weapon would very...Derklord2020-04-01T12:13:32ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: A few questions about Ascetic StyleWonderstellhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42zwo?A-few-questions-about-Ascetic-Style#42020-04-01T08:38:30Z2020-04-01T08:38:30Z<p>3. The intention is that it doesn't, but the careless wording doesn't help. The author of the style feat went out and said that they meant for Ascetic Style to work like Feral Combat Training. If you want to use class features then the idea was that you'd need Ascetic Form. </p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>3. The intention is that it doesn't, but the careless wording doesn't help. The author of the style feat went out and said that they meant for Ascetic Style to work like Feral Combat Training. If you want to use class features then the idea was that you'd need Ascetic Form.
[Spoiler omitted]Wonderstell2020-04-01T08:38:30ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: A few questions about Ascetic Stylezza nihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42zwo?A-few-questions-about-Ascetic-Style#32020-04-01T07:11:29Z2020-04-01T07:11:29Z<p>2. without fuse style any style feat need you to enter the style stance (normaly a swift action) while your in a style stance you benefit from that style abilities. but only that style (unless fuse style etc). changing into a different style stop you from being in the fist one and thus prevent you from gaining any other benefit that style granted.</p>2. without fuse style any style feat need you to enter the style stance (normaly a swift action) while your in a style stance you benefit from that style abilities. but only that style (unless fuse style etc). changing into a different style stop you from being in the fist one and thus prevent you from gaining any other benefit that style granted.zza ni2020-04-01T07:11:29ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: A few questions about Ascetic StyleJava Manhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42zwo?A-few-questions-about-Ascetic-Style#22020-04-01T00:46:02Z2020-04-01T00:46:02Z<p>1. Claws are not in the monk weapon group, neither are claw blades.</p>
<p>2. I don't think you get the damage bonus unless you are using the style. I know that some folks manage to read it thinking that some benefits are when in stance, and some constant. I think those folks are wrong.</p>
<p>3. Looks that way to me.</p>1. Claws are not in the monk weapon group, neither are claw blades.
2. I don't think you get the damage bonus unless you are using the style. I know that some folks manage to read it thinking that some benefits are when in stance, and some constant. I think those folks are wrong.
3. Looks that way to me.Java Man2020-04-01T00:46:02ZForums: Rules Questions: A few questions about Ascetic StyleMinigianthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42zwo?A-few-questions-about-Ascetic-Style#12020-04-01T00:51:00Z2020-04-01T00:31:01Z<p>I have lots of questions about ascetic style</p>
<p>"Choose one weapon from the monk fighter weapon group. While using this style and wielding the chosen weapon, you can apply the effects of feats that have Improved Unarmed Strike as a prerequisite, as well as effects that augment an unarmed strike, as if attacks with the weapon were unarmed attacks."</p>
<p>1. Are <a href="https://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment/weapons/weapon-descriptions/claw-blades/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Claw Blades</a> Monk weapons? Natural Claws are but, claw blades confuse me</p>
<p>Edit: My fault, no they are not in the Monk group (I was intertwining stuff from Feral Combat training)</p>
<p>2. Can I apply Dragon Style & Ferocity bonus damage to my attacks without <a href="https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/monk/archetypes/paizo-monk-archetypes/master-of-many-styles" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Fuse Style</a>? I just wouldn't get the benefits such as +2 vs sleep</p>
<p>3. (Confident on this one) Monk scaling damage gets applied to the weapon? 2D6 at Level 12</p>I have lots of questions about ascetic style
"Choose one weapon from the monk fighter weapon group. While using this style and wielding the chosen weapon, you can apply the effects of feats that have Improved Unarmed Strike as a prerequisite, as well as effects that augment an unarmed strike, as if attacks with the weapon were unarmed attacks."
1. Are Claw Blades Monk weapons? Natural Claws are but, claw blades confuse me
Edit: My fault, no they are not in the Monk group (I was...Minigiant2020-04-01T00:31:01Z