Does (limited) telepathy work on creatures that are immune to mind-affecting effects?


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For example, can a lashunta telepathically communicate with a Marooned One (an intelligent undead) or an Anacite (an intelligent construct)?

CRB wrote:

Telepathy

A creature with the telepathy special ability can mentally communicate with any other creature within a certain range (specified in the creature’s description, though the range of telepathy is usually 100 feet) that knows a language. It is possible to address multiple creatures at once telepathically, although maintaining a telepathic conversation with more than one creature at a time is just as difficult as simultaneously speaking and listening to multiple people at the same time.

Limited Telepathy
Limited telepathy functions in the same manner as telepathy, except that both the creature with the limited telepathy special ability and the creature it is communicating with must have a language in common.

Unead and constructs normally come with immunity to mind-affecting effects. Does that block telepathy?

There's a couple of things that give you telepathy with technolical creatures specifically;

Aeon Stone, Sapphire Cone wrote:
Aballonian corporations initially distributed sapphire cones, but none of those businesses have a clear claim to the original device. While this aeon stone orbits you, you have limited telepathy you can use only with creatures that have the technological subtype and are within 100 feet of you.

It doesn't say anything about overriding immunities, so maybe it doesn't have to because immunity to mind-affecting effects doesn't apply to telepathy?

Alien Archive lists several creatures with both immunity to mind-affecting effects and telepathy:

Hallajin have even longer telepathy range with other hallajin.
Necrovites spend most of their time among the undead, and they have telepathy.
Frujai have telepathy and the mother plant presumably uses it to communicate with its worker drones?
Deh-Nolo like a lot of Dominion of the Black creatures have telepathy and immunity to mind-affecting effects.


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There's a couple of things that give you telepathy with technolical creatures specifically;

I think its pretty clear that they work then, on the basis that specific trumps general.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
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There's a couple of things that give you telepathy with technolical creatures specifically;

I think its pretty clear that they work then, on the basis that specific trumps general.

So what about the general case? The examples I've given all imply that telepathy isn't blocked by being immune to mind-affecting.

Is the Aeon Stone just a nice thing that gives you pretty long-range telepathy without counting as a worn item? 100ft telepathy is a lot more than you get from other items so does that balance the restriction to technological creatures only? Or does the "restriction" actually mean that it overrides an immunity?


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Well, if something had an immunity to sonic effects, would it be unable to hear your mouth sounds?


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This, btw, is another reason why I think "Immunity to Mind-Affecting" should be *greatly* paired back, if not eliminated entirely. By and large the only beings who should be immune to mind-affecting effects should be mindless creatures, who would have no mind to talk to, anyway. The only exceptions generally being in the mildly-godlike range and up, where its not "I don't have a mind to affect" and more "My self-control and self-awareness is sufficiently great that only I can change my own mind".

Sczarni

Ascalaphus wrote:

Telepathy

A creature with the telepathy special ability can mentally communicate with any other creature...that knows a language.

Limited Telepathy
Limited telepathy functions in the same manner as telepathy, except...must have a language in common.

Where is telepathy tagged as "mind-affecting"?


Nefreet wrote:
Ascalaphus wrote:

Telepathy

A creature with the telepathy special ability can mentally communicate with any other creature...that knows a language.

Limited Telepathy
Limited telepathy functions in the same manner as telepathy, except...must have a language in common.

Where is telepathy tagged as "mind-affecting"?

This would be *another* strong argument for cutting back/eliminating Immunity to Mind Affecting, where the "Mind Affecting" trait somehow apparently is not part of an ability that very obviously Affects the Mind. *ahem*

Sczarni

I don't know what you're talking about, but my question is sincere.

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Nefreet wrote:
Ascalaphus wrote:

Telepathy

A creature with the telepathy special ability can mentally communicate with any other creature...that knows a language.

Limited Telepathy
Limited telepathy functions in the same manner as telepathy, except...must have a language in common.

Where is telepathy tagged as "mind-affecting"?

Nowhere that I know of - but outside of spell descriptions, a lot of things aren't thoroughly tagged. It's not a strange idea that telepathy might be mind-affecting. But the prevalence of mind-immune enemies with telepathy suggests that it's not a problem.

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