Bola for PFS - "Standard" but "Uncommon" so how to get Access?


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As title.

I assume I have to wait for a Chronicle Sheet?

Is there another way?

Cheers.

Horizon Hunters

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The bola was added in the Gods book and you can get access through these rules in the CRB:

From Cleric: Deity
As a cleric, you are a mortal servitor of a deity you revere above all others. The most common deities in Pathfinder appear on pages 437–440, along with their alignments, areas of concern, and the benefits you get for being a cleric of that deity. Your alignment must be one allowed by your deity, as listed in their entry. Your deity grants you the trained proficiency rank in one skill and with the deity’s favored weapon. If the favored weapon is uncommon, you also get access to that weapon.

And from Champion:You zealously bear your deity’s favored weapon. If it’s uncommon, you gain access to it. If it’s an unarmed attack with a d4 damage die or a simple weapon, increase the damage die by one step (d4 to d6, d6 to d8, d8 to d10, d10 to d12).

The bola is the favored weapon of Grandmother Spider.

Sczarni

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It may just very well also appear on a recently released Chronicle!

^_^


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Also, it falls under the area of "ambiguous" for Humans with "Unconventional Weaponry"... It'd be really nice to have clarification on that one for PFS.

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tivadar27 wrote:
Also, it falls under the area of "ambiguous" for Humans with "Unconventional Weaponry"... It'd be really nice to have clarification on that one for PFS.

I think that until we get a list of which weapons are normal in which cultures, you can't really take Unconventional Weaponry and say "I'm copying this weapon from that culture".

When we do get such a list, that would also imply that people in that culture get access automatically.

Maybe the holdup is for a "Conventional Weaponry" feat in the APG that gives you access to your own culture's less common weapons?

Sczarni

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PFS allows you to access the Katana via Unconventional Weaponry. I wouldn't think Bola would be any different.


Nefreet wrote:
PFS allows you to access the Katana via Unconventional Weaponry. I wouldn't think Bola would be any different.

Why do you think it does this, out of curiosity?

Ascalaphus wrote:
I think that until we get a list of which weapons are normal in which cultures, you can't really take Unconventional Weaponry and say "I'm copying this weapon from that culture".

I disagree. I think you potentially can, but there's table variation. Which means it's a character development thing with table variation. Which is rather bad and might completely shut you down at a bunch of tables... In other words, you can, but probably shouldn't :-P.


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tivadar27 wrote:
Nefreet wrote:
PFS allows you to access the Katana via Unconventional Weaponry. I wouldn't think Bola would be any different.
Why do you think it does this, out of curiosity?

Because that, specifically, has been officially confirmed.

https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgzc?Adventures-Near-And-Far#31

Horizon Hunters

I dont have the precise text in front of me but they do say that GrandMother Spider's worship isn't as common in the inner sea region.

I'm not certain however if that means her favored weapon is more common in the area where her worship is common. Personally if someone was investing the feat for unconventional weaponry I'd allow it, but that may not be what a PFS GM would say

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HammerJack wrote:
tivadar27 wrote:
Nefreet wrote:
PFS allows you to access the Katana via Unconventional Weaponry. I wouldn't think Bola would be any different.
Why do you think it does this, out of curiosity?

Because that, specifically, has been officially confirmed.

https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgzc?Adventures-Near-And-Far#31

That, and it's also been updated in the Guide to Organized Play.


Thanks for the links. Assuming these are newish updates, as I hadn't spotted them before. But I hadn't checked in a few weeks.

Sczarni

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October of last year, but not everyone reads the Forums regularly.

I'm not sure when that post made it into the Guide. It bounced around the PFS Forum for a while though.

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Nefreet wrote:
PFS allows you to access the Katana via Unconventional Weaponry. I wouldn't think Bola would be any different.

I know about the katana, but that's a rather piecemeal process. I'd like to see something more systematic.

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tivadar27 wrote:
Ascalaphus wrote:
I think that until we get a list of which weapons are normal in which cultures, you can't really take Unconventional Weaponry and say "I'm copying this weapon from that culture".
I disagree. I think you potentially can, but there's table variation. Which means it's a character development thing with table variation. Which is rather bad and might completely shut you down at a bunch of tables... In other words, you can, but probably shouldn't :-P.

"You can but it might not work" and "You can't, really" come down to the same thing. Not working well in organized play where the goal is that a character that works at one table also works at the other table.


Ascalaphus wrote:
tivadar27 wrote:
Ascalaphus wrote:
I think that until we get a list of which weapons are normal in which cultures, you can't really take Unconventional Weaponry and say "I'm copying this weapon from that culture".
I disagree. I think you potentially can, but there's table variation. Which means it's a character development thing with table variation. Which is rather bad and might completely shut you down at a bunch of tables... In other words, you can, but probably shouldn't :-P.
"You can but it might not work" and "You can't, really" come down to the same thing. Not working well in organized play where the goal is that a character that works at one table also works at the other table.

We're not in disagreement here, I don't think for the most part. I think it's safe to say "you can't, reliably" and the rest of your points remain valid here... I just wouldn't be surprised to see a character arrive at my table with that feat, and TBH, I wouldn't see any reason to disallow it if it was a weapon similar to the katana in its historical nature.

Horizon Hunters

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I would imagine they wanted to future proof a bit and avoid saying "any uncommon weapon". Possibly to avoid giving access to weapons specific to certain organizations.

I imagine most weapons we have available should be fair game. With the exception being things like Sawtooth Saber. That's how I'd rule it at least.

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