Is e.g. Sneak a Stride action?


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Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber

Simple question. Probably a simple answer ("no"). But I realised I'm not 100% sure.

The context is the extra action from the Haste spell. It's almost certainly supposed to be limited in applicability, but Sneak seems kind-of in zone.

Relevant rules text:

Haste wrote:
It gains the quickened condition and can use the extra action each round only for Strike and Stride actions.

So far so good, though it doesn't quite say "the" Strike and Stride [basic] actions.

Basic actions wrote:
Most notably, you’ll use Interact, Step, Stride, and Strike a great deal. Many feats and other actions call upon you to use one of these basic actions or modify them to produce different effects. For example, a more complex action might let you Stride up to double your Speed instead of just up to your Speed, and a large number of activities include a Strike.

Hmm. This talks about "modifying" the basic actions. Is a "modified" basic Stride action still a Stride action?

Sneak wrote:
You can attempt to move to another place while becoming or staying undetected. Stride up to half your Speed. (You can use Sneak while Burrowing, Climbing, Flying, or Swimming instead of Striding if you have the corresponding movement type; you must move at half that Speed.)

That's certainly a Stride in there. Does that mean it's a Stride action?


The simple answer is no. This is because Sneak is itself an action that is not "Stride". Haste only allows Strikes and Strides, not actions or activities that include a strike or stride.

You couldn't for instance use an exacting strike as a fighter with the haste action, as that is not a "basic" strike.


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber

No, actions other than Stride are not Stride.


Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

To elaborate a little more, Sneak CONTAINS a Stride action, so you are Striding while you Sneak, but Sneak isn't a Stride in and of itself and can't be substituted for something that allows you to Stride.


No.


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber

Thanks all. Pretty clear consensus that my original & instinctive reading was right.

Easy to overthink things, isn't it?


To elaborate a bit on this, when things refer to types of actions rather than specific actions, they will generally use tags instead of action names. So, if you had an ability that let you move away by whatever means you see fit when hit by an attack, it would look something like this:

Run away! [Reaction]
Trigger A creature hits you with an attack
You may take a Move action that moves you away from the attacker.


Staffan Johansson wrote:

To elaborate a bit on this, when things refer to types of actions rather than specific actions, they will generally use tags instead of action names. So, if you had an ability that let you move away by whatever means you see fit when hit by an attack, it would look something like this:

Run away! [Reaction]
Trigger A creature hits you with an attack
You may take a Move action that moves you away from the attacker.

Or, even simpler, note how "Move" isn't the name of any specific action.

While "Sneak" and "Stride" are. In fact, they are names of two separate different actions.

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