Paladin with a giant owl mount?


Rules Questions


in a nutshell HOW?

i have a player that asked to play a paladin of Athena and he sayed that higher (7 or so) if will would be gifted a owl for a mount.

one: whats a good god to use for Athena? (she not in pathfinder)

two: how do i give a Owl mount at higher level idk what feats, lvl, ect? (if any)

three: i saw a elf with a owl mount some-were in some book do he need to be a elf race (any race) to get a owl mount?

Hello all its been a long time posting here i like to new look
Chaoskin


MONSTROUS MOUNT to get a giant owl.

MONSTROUS MOUNT MASTERY to be able to ride it while flying.


A couple of other means; if your paladin is size small, then the chosen one archetype for the paladin and the mauler archetype for the familiar works.

The sacred servant archetype for a deity with the animal domain can give any kind of animal companion, and giant owl is an option. The boon companion feat would be almost required.

As to who would replace Athena - Athena the goddess of wisdom, Athena the goddess of war, Athena the goddess who turned a weaver who bested her into a spider, Athena the patron of Athens - what aspect would you want to focus on?


MrCharisma wrote:
MONSTROUS MOUNT to get a giant owl.

what would be the Prerequisites of get a giant owl like Handle Animal 5 ranks; Ride 5 ranks; the 7 lvl feat i like you can fly with your owl

avr wrote:

A couple of other means; if your paladin is size small, then the chosen one archetype for the paladin and the mauler archetype for the familiar works.

The sacred servant archetype for a deity with the animal domain can give any kind of animal companion, and giant owl is an option. The boon companion feat would be almost required.

As to who would replace Athena - Athena the goddess of wisdom, Athena the goddess of war, Athena the goddess who turned a weaver who bested her into a spider, Athena the patron of Athens - what aspect would you want to focus on?

he is a Aasimar paladin so no familiars he wants to ride the thing

for Athena was the goddess of wisdom, justice, war, skills, art and industry in Greek mythology he asking for. i hope that helps.


chaoskin wrote:
for Athena was the goddess of wisdom, justice, war, skills, art and industry in Greek mythology he asking for. i hope that helps.

Not in the slightest. I asked which aspect of Athena you wished to concentrate on, not a list of six aspects.


avr wrote:
chaoskin wrote:
for Athena was the goddess of wisdom, justice, war, skills, art and industry in Greek mythology he asking for. i hope that helps.
Not in the slightest. I asked which aspect of Athena you wished to concentrate on, not a list of six aspects.

You could make your own god, with Artifice, Charm, Community, Knowledge, Law and War domains (or something similar).


chaoskin wrote:
MrCharisma wrote:
MONSTROUS MOUNT to get a giant owl.
what would be the Prerequisites of get a giant owl like Handle Animal 5 ranks; Ride 5 ranks; the 7 lvl feat i like you can fly with your owl.

I'm assuming a Giant Owl isn't significantly more powerful than a Griffon, so I was just going with those stats (listed in monstrous mount).

So at level 5 the Paladin has 4 ranks in the appropriate skills and can take a Mount as a Divine Bond. With Monstrous Mount they could take a Griffon Giant Owl as their Divine Bond Mount. They wouldn't be allowed tonride it while it flies, but it'd still be a powerful ally.

Then at level 7 if they take Monstrous Mount Mastery they'd get the mastery benefit listed in the Monsteous Mount feat - for Griffon and Hippogriff the mastery ability is that the mount can fly with a rider at half speed (something like 60-full, 30-half if it's a combat mount, 80-full, 40-half if the mount isn't likely to be used to attack as much).


avr wrote:
chaoskin wrote:
for Athena was the goddess of wisdom, justice, war, skills, art and industry in Greek mythology he asking for. i hope that helps.
Not in the slightest. I asked which aspect of Athena you wished to concentrate on, not a list of six aspects.

no im trying not to make a god. what im asking what would be a good replacement for Athena the has a owl or mount like her sorry i dont make that clear i was thanking to use lomedae. what he sayed what one day when i dismiss my mount then recall he gets a owl as a blessing form the god (btw he will have the feats and skill need to get this) and im starting to like this. and i dont know what god to use for that i dont play LG paladins/clerics so i dont know this info.

MrCharisma wrote:


I'm assuming a Giant Owl isn't significantly more powerful than a Griffon, so I was just going with those stats (listed in monstrous mount).

So at level 5 the Paladin has 4 ranks in the appropriate skills and can take a Mount as a Divine Bond. With Monstrous Mount they could take a Griffon Giant Owl as their Divine Bond Mount. They wouldn't be allowed tonride it while it flies, but it'd still be a powerful ally.

Then at level 7 if they take Monstrous Mount Mastery they'd get the mastery benefit listed in the Monsteous Mount feat - for Griffon and Hippogriff the mastery ability is that the mount can fly with a rider at half speed (something like 60-full, 30-half if it's a combat mount, 80-full, 40-half if the mount isn't likely to be used to attack as much).

i will keep that in mined


Tanagaar anyone? Though they're more owl focused than Greek pantheon-esque.


One last time. Greek gods aren't consistent characters. There may be a consistent idea of Athena inside your head, but it hasn't been posted here and I don't know what it is. Athena of the Iliad, Nike Athena and Athena of the city are very different creatures.

Please describe your vision of Athena, or name the story you're using so I can make a guess as to which Golarion deity you might use.


It sounds like he wants to know which LG god has owls as their sacred animal.

I don't believe there are any.


Looks like the stats for a giant owl are substantially different than they were in 3rd:

-Huge owl vs. Large griffon, better HP, AC and saves

-slower land and fly speed

-two better attacks versus the griffon's 3-5 worse ones

-way better skills and high mental stats; this isn't a beast, this thing is probably smarter and wiser than the paladin. A mount with three Knowledges at +10 and +17 Perception.

-griffons can understand common, the owls understand sylvan and have animal telepathy. Neither can speak.

-owls get True Seeing 3/day?!

--I'd toss out those stats. That thing is way better than a griffon. In a fight, as a companion, as a tool for various problem solving situations.

Take the griffon, make it slower and sneakier, give it a big bonus to Perception in dim light or whatever, trade out it's attacks for two talons at 1d8 each, call it a day. That's what I'd do


willuwontu wrote:

It sounds like he wants to know which LG god has owls as their sacred animal.

I don't believe there are any.

See my above post, though technically Taanaggar is an Empyreal Lord.


avr wrote:

One last time. Greek gods aren't consistent characters. There may be a consistent idea of Athena inside your head, but it hasn't been posted here and I don't know what it is. Athena of the Iliad, Nike Athena and Athena of the city are very different creatures.

Please describe your vision of Athena, or name the story you're using so I can make a guess as to which Golarion deity you might use.

I DO NOT KNOW Which one he using to me there all the some and i dont want to ask him he may ask the something there more then one?

Artofregicide wrote:
Tanagaar anyone? Though they're more owl focused than Greek pantheon-esque.

Thank you this. This is what im looking for

Quixote wrote:

Looks like the stats for a giant owl are substantially different than they were in 3rd:

-Huge owl vs. Large griffon, better HP, AC and saves

-slower land and fly speed

-two better attacks versus the griffon's 3-5 worse ones

-way better skills and high mental stats; this isn't a beast, this thing is probably smarter and wiser than the paladin. A mount with three Knowledges at +10 and +17 Perception.

-griffons can understand common, the owls understand sylvan and have animal telepathy. Neither can speak.

-owls get True Seeing 3/day?!

--I'd toss out those stats. That thing is way better than a griffon. In a fight, as a companion, as a tool for various problem solving situations.

Take the griffon, make it slower and sneakier, give it a big bonus to Perception in dim light or whatever, trade out it's attacks for two talons at 1d8 each, call it a day. That's what I'd do

saying this i will ask you the same question what would be the Prerequisites of get a giant owl like i ask MrCharisma


chaoskin wrote:
saying this i will ask you the same question what would be the Prerequisites of get a giant owl...

If you make the owl as potent as a griffon, it would have the same prerequisites as a griffon.


So, you take Monstrous Mount to get the non-horse companion. Fine, that is completely reasonable.

But then you need to take an additional feat just to use the mount's primary movement type? That seems unneeded. Hope the paladin/whatever doesn't also need to fight while mounted.


You take 1 feat to get another character on the board who has almost the power of a full PC, then you take another feat to give your character the ability to fly.

Checks out.

Also, Paladin feats = Fey Foundling, Power Attack, Monstrous Mount, Monstrous Mount Mastery.

At level 7 with a Masterwork Lance and 14 STR (which is low) you can charge for 2d8+18 damage. If you smite the enemy it's 2d8+32, or 2d8+46 on the first attack. At level 8 your charge damage goes up by 6 and your smite by 2 (and your first smite hit hy another 2). Also your mount can attack.

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