Rubato Bard vs Normal Bard


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We are eventually going to be playing Zeitgeist, so the party is going with a weird theme of support casters.

We are having a vanilla cleric, psionics tactician, and either a fighter/barbarian or blaster caster (class unknown). The first two are pretty set in stone, the last isn't but is a newer player and the party veto'd him getting a PoW martial if he wanted to play martial.

I'm probably going to be the most front line of the two supports, the tactician focusing on Int/Cha and maybe grabbing some Dex for ranged attacks. The cleric is the opposite of a min max optimizer and I don't want to say will be useless, but likely won't be bothering with a weapon at all.

I was wondering if giving up spells for martial maneuvers would be worth it. I'm not sure how much the Bard spell list overlaps with the Clerics, so even if we have the full martial to buff, I'm not sure how much of the Bard spells would be "useless" compared to the cleric buffing.

I know that Golden Lion is basically it when it comes to Ally buffing, with some in Primal Fury and counters/protection in Iron Tortoise. Are there any other disciplines that should be considered?


SorrySleeping wrote:

We are eventually going to be playing Zeitgeist, so the party is going with a weird theme of support casters.

We are having a vanilla cleric, psionics tactician, and either a fighter/barbarian or blaster caster (class unknown). The first two are pretty set in stone, the last isn't but is a newer player and the party veto'd him getting a PoW martial if he wanted to play martial.

I'm probably going to be the most front line of the two supports, the tactician focusing on Int/Cha and maybe grabbing some Dex for ranged attacks. The cleric is the opposite of a min max optimizer and I don't want to say will be useless, but likely won't be bothering with a weapon at all.

I was wondering if giving up spells for martial maneuvers would be worth it. I'm not sure how much the Bard spell list overlaps with the Clerics, so even if we have the full martial to buff, I'm not sure how much of the Bard spells would be "useless" compared to the cleric buffing.

I know that Golden Lion is basically it when it comes to Ally buffing, with some in Primal Fury and counters/protection in Iron Tortoise. Are there any other disciplines that should be considered?

I would say Sleeping Goddess probably has the second most options which can be used to support the party.

As another alternative, the Zealot is a pretty cool full martial support in Path of War worth considering. As far as power compared to a spell bard, it's pretty good for supporting and lots of fun, but at higher levels the caster will be better. This is pretty much always the case, as magic just has so many more options in the end. Don't count PoW out though, rubito is great for long duration adventuring, you just don't run out of daily resources.

Liberty's Edge

IMO it would be a bit rude to show up using a ruleset that another player was denied use of.

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